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Corp Theif Questions
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Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-07 01:59:03 UTC
So, I figured this would be the community to ask, as I'm wondering about a crime, but if this is in the wrong place, I apologize. I'm looking to set up a POS for research/manufacture, just a small operation, myself and a few people I've met playing the game. I would be the CEO of a corp set up for this purpose; I am aware of how POS roles work (and that they need to be revisited). However, I had a couple of questions:

1. When I have a shared corp hangar, is there a way to see who is taking what out of there and/or who puts what in? I want to have some shared stuff for everyone to use, but I want to be able to see if one person is taking it all and then selling it, for example.

2. When the POS is up, can I also see who takes what out of storage in different arrays, etc? If someone decided to steal everything, would I at least know who?

3. This is the one I'm most interested in - I was thinking about what I would do if I were going to rob a corp, so that I could try to protect against it - if someone ejects ships from a POS hangar, can I see who ejected the ship? Additionally, here is another concern - someone relatively new comes in, and unknown to me is an alt of someone in my corp. He has the newb eject all ships from the hangar when no one is online, and then he himself boards each ship and flies it away. It would take some time, but then I wouldn't know who the "real" theif is, would I? Can I see who ejects ships, and if so, is there a way to see who boards them?

From other CEOs, any other advice about avoiding corp theft or seeing who did it, should it happen? I'm looking for something more specific than don't assign roles to people you don't know in RL, etc. I'm looking for specific pointers or loopholes.

I know about locking blueprints and items in hangars, but other than secure containers (which can be repackaged after 3 weeks and everything dumps out) I'm not sure how to keep stuff secure... Thanks!
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#2 - 2011-11-07 02:07:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Scrapyard Bob
1. No

The workaround for this is station containers / vaults which are locked with a password and every stack stays locked by default. The proper procedure is then "unlock stack, take item, re-lock stack" - but you have to audit it regularly and make sure that people do not leave stacks unlocked. And make sure that nobody has the role that lets you remove containers from the corp hangar.

2. Same issue as #1 - worse, the SMA does not have corp tabs at all.

3. No

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First rule of security - grant the minimum possible roles needed to function and consider greatly whether you really want to give someone additional roles.

Always have an alt in the corp that you can use to test out roles and permissions.

Do not put any more then you are willing to lose to a thief into a SMA or corp hangar that is accessible by others.

You have 7 tabs, make use of them to keep the more expensive stuff in the director-only tab and the cheap stuff in a more public tab.

For really small corps (6 or fewer people), you can consider just giving every person their own tab to play with. Which works out well when it comes to labs and assembly arrays and POS corp hangar arrays (all of which have tabs).
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-07 02:15:37 UTC
Ok, to make sure I understand what you said/meant - lets say a corp admits me and they have x amount of stuff in a shared corp hangar, with nothing locked down or secured in any way that I can tell; I could take everything from the hangar and they wouldn't know that it was me?

Additionally, I could go to the POS, wipe out everything I had access to, and then go back to station, and as long as no one saw me, then (assuming no other reason to suspect me) no one would know?

That's unsettling and is making me reconsider my plan, thank you for the info. I thought at least that I would know who the theif was if someone stole something from me...
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2011-11-07 02:17:12 UTC
The only thing they could do would be to peek in your hangar (which directors can do) and see whether you suddenly had a huge pile of stuff that you didn't have from before.

(Hence the use of secure containers with their audit log, along with locking of stacks, and not letting people remove containers from the corp hangar.)
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-07 02:18:49 UTC
Can a director peek into my private station hangar, the one I always have regardless of whether I'm in a corp or not? If so, I never knew that...
yumike
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-07 03:27:43 UTC
Dimitri Jackal wrote:
Can a director peek into my private station hangar, the one I always have regardless of whether I'm in a corp or not? If so, I never knew that...


I thought that it was JUST ceo's that could do this. But it could be directors as well it's been awhile since I had any of my mains in a director/leadership role.
Belloche
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-07 04:01:05 UTC
Directors can look into your personal hangar only if your corp has an office at the station where you stashed your ill gotten gains. The use of an audit logged secure container will have logs of who is taking stuff out of it. They are very handy as long as you don't give the role to remove the containers.
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#8 - 2011-11-07 04:03:27 UTC
Dimitri Jackal wrote:
Can a director peek into my private station hangar, the one I always have regardless of whether I'm in a corp or not? If so, I never knew that...


Only if they are docked at that station (I think) - and only (for sure) if you are in the same corp. And possibly only if you have a rented corporate office at the same station.

Can't remember which role off-hand controls that.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-07 04:37:54 UTC
Dimitri Jackal wrote:
Can a director peek into my private station hangar, the one I always have regardless of whether I'm in a corp or not? If so, I never knew that...


If you belong to a player corp, anyone in that player corp with the "Security Officer" role can look inside the personal hangars of anyone in that corp, as long as they are docked in the same station. They cannot, however, take items from your hangar (although they can deposit items in there from any corp hangar they the "Take" role for)

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