EVE General Discussion

Being able to fit an LSE would not even double its tanking ability, so it would not require ships of a similar cost to gank it… You simply raised the price from 2M ISK to 4M ISK (and made it more likely that you drop something valuable to make up for that difference).
A couple of things. Insurance isn't meant to be realistic — it's the notion of game mechanics having to be realistic that has spawned this idea that CONCORD should be nerfed, so that's a particularly dangerous train of thought to follow. In fact, insurance in EVE has pretty much the exact opposite purpose of real-life insurance. More importantly, though: why should there be fewer for-fun kills?

There use to be a time in Eve in which Hulks were actually battle fitted to combat can flippers. Here's an example.

Of course, this was during a time in which a single NOS behaved like a NEUT with NOS benefits (to paraphrase the daring carebear who is in the video). Of course, no amount of NOS or NEUT could ever hope to counter projectile guns or missile launchers that don't require capacitor.

To be honest, I would prefer to see a buff in the PG/CPU of the Hulk. That would allow for more variety in the fits.

Question for Tippia : Why should there not be fewer for-fun kills? Once you fully have it down to a science how to gank a hulk, its no longer a challenge and just riskless combat to make your epeen get a little more girth and length. Heck, its as challenging as running level 4. You just cannot loose against a Hulk or Retty, just as much as a mission runner popping Serps or Angels.

Going to date myself, but Tippia is like Elmira from Tiny Tunes. Only response is to counter a question with a question. Once an answer has been supplied, she further responds "Why?" with your response "Because!" and she responds "Why?" over and over again. Yeah, just had a child hood flash back of one of the better cartoons I remember watching after getting home from school.

Ah, the classic onus probandi fallacy.
Answer: because you haven't explained why there should be fewer for-fun kills.
Yes? So why is that a problem? It doesn't quite follow that just because something is easy, it should be more rare.
…and, as has been explained so many times now, it's because the “because” provided is almost always built on even deeper layers of assumption and assertion, and their existence means the question still remain:

“I want A to happen!”
“Why should A happen?”
“Because then B will happen!”
“Ok… so why should B happen?”
“Because then C will happen!”
“Oook… so why should C happen?”
“…dunno…” (alternatively “omgz, troll!!”).

See? There might be some particularly brilliant reason for having more of C, but we'll never know, because people can't be bothered to explain it.

Attention, Miners and Haulers and all other people who keep the supply side of the Eve economy going.

Give up trying to talk sense to the asshats that get their jollies blowing up ships in high sec.
The bulk of them can't cut it in null sec PvP, or low sec, and blowing up haulers and barges is the best they will ever do in-game.

The kind of person who enjoys blowing up a mining vessel is the same kind of person who enjoys inflicting pain and suffering on humans and creatures outside of the game: basically losers in real life = suicide gankers in game.

Granted, there are some that do for economic reasons. Goons seem to do it to corner the market on a product.
Hulkageddon is usually supported by the Hulk manufacturers. These ones I have no problem with.

But discussing suicide ganking with the majority of these idiots is pointless.
They will give you the tired crap about how "Eve is a dangerous place", or "no one should be able to afk anything in game", or "fly what you only afford to lose", etc, etc. (BTW, not that I spelled it LOSE, not loose, people. Dictionaries, get one.)

So high sec industrialists, who are the engine of the Eve economy, ignore these "elite players" and talk to CCP about your concerns with suicide ganking. Don't waste time and keyboard strokes replying to the trolls in threads like this.

Wouldn't buff to miner barges( or w/e things used for mine) only buff bott's its not like they own us already.

Bots are actually pretty easy to search for via code. Humans are messy and don't follow such exact patterns.

The ideal number would be to enable you to boost the EHP enough that it takes (5-8) destroyers to gank a hulk. When you get into the 5-8 pilot range, you're talking enough coordination that I begin to appreciate the kill. Boosting all of the mining barges / exhumers would go a long way towards making it a multi-pilot affair rather then a solo kill (or a solo+alt) kill.

It's why I don't care much about freighter ganks, there you need 12-16 pilots (maybe 20 to be safe) in order to pull off the gank. That's a good amount of coordination and they're definitely putting effort in for getting the gank.

So you'd be okay with Hulks costing the same as a freighter?

I think this Armour tank mining vessels is an interesting idea:
Fit Plates = Low Yield Low Space High Survivability: good for potentially dangerous mining.
Fit Cargo Expanders = Low Yield High Space Low survivability: good for semi/afking.
Fit Upgrades = High Yield Low Space Low survivability: good for group ops.

I'm going to have a play in EFT