EVE General Discussion

I have been seeing a lot of comments on the forums requesting that CCP nerf Concord. One person asks that Space be made "less Safe."

As a high-sec Carebear, I don't mind a "Concord Nerf", that is, if the HULK is given a buff to its tank at the same time.

The new Battlecruisers with their BS sized weapons (is that a pun?), plus a nerf to Concord, would lead to a complete inabiltiy to mine in high-sec, or anywhere.

In another thread, someone suggests T3 industrial ships. (I could not find a link to that thread)
I think T3 industial ships would be a good idea. a Single industrial ship with different modules to optimize it for whatever job its being used for.
One such module could buff the tank of the T3 mining ship, so that it would take several battleships to destroy it before it got into warp.

Another thing to remember, Orcas and freighters can be suicided too...

If they want to kill you there is no stopping them aside from not being there.

"i want to afk mine safely"

I think tanking up the civillian ships is an okay idea, it would bring up the cost of the suicide gank just enough to force smarter target kills than the just becuase.

Also it will not entirely prevent suicide gankes in general as determiend folks will find a way, just it will enable the users more of a tool to defend themselves if they want to be cautious.

Most of the time, you are dead before the defense can lock the gankers.

I know this may be news to you, but in high sec you can't preemptively jam anyone, as you'll get concorded yourself.
And a lot of ganks rely on alpha strike, as there's no time for a second volley.

Plus adding more people to a mining group decreases the income even further from already the least profitable activity.

I don't mine and don't intend to mine anytime soon, but a lot of the mining barges are paper thin and could use a bit more EHP or at least an ability to fit any tank.

On the other hand since apparently there's no more insurance for suicide ganks on Sisi, it may be that ganking hulks in destroyers for lulz may not be as profitable as it used to be.

Why? That's exactly what the OP is asking for.

There are these things called Medium Shield Extenders and they use less than 30 grid.

You have 43.75 PG to play with. The (3) T2 Strip Miners use up 36MW (30MW for the T1 strips), which leaves you with 7.75 PG. The MAPC would add 10MW, which might barely be enough to fit a medium Azeo if you stick with T1 strips. Which only gets you to 24.2k EHP on the Hulk, with a yield of 1116 m3/minute instead of 1385 m3/min and 22.2k EHP for the other fit. Not much difference in survival.

(The barges/exhumers really need a boost in PG/CPU. Enough to put them into the realm of "if you don't fit a tank, you truly deserve to die" instead of "even if you fit a tank, you'll still die to a solo or duo pair".)

well let see..

freighter .. you need about 20 battleships ..

freighter cost roughly half bil .. 20 battleships cost roughly one bil

Mission "expensive" ships .. well if they are ganked its their fault, if you fly something like this you dont really need isk that much and could take some people with you .. which somewhat can fight however in the end you still need several battleships to take it down.

hulk cost 150 mil roughly / soon to be kiled by dessie 2mil .. doesnt matter if you got 1000s of guardians and bassilisks with you .. you are going down anyway...

Something seems very odd... i take it "tanked hulk" should be suicided by two battleships at least.. than its fine.. it figures..

Anyway get CONCORD in line with law and order focrec of real world... You suicided before you go in system .. you get in ship which can suicide something and is fitted accordingly.. they will get info since station will sent your fit to them, or you get scanned on gate, or followed by CONCORD covops to do the scanning, and response time to your aggression is actuall warp time from CONCORD current possition to your location. Still enough to kill an hulk with gank tornado... but probably not enough to kill it with dessie.