In-Game Events and Gatherings

PS: Iwantisk you should Check your mail

hate to pop your soap bubble but did you look as to see how much each had spent to win?

not to point out that the big winners are the people that have more money than sense and able to drop 1 trillion isk on it and not even think about it.

I my self have won and with drawn over 70 billion isk and paid in less than 10% of it so get a life and stop being so Butt Hurt and get over your self.

You can see all the connections when you look trough the PDF its amazing how easy it was to find out.

Oh and who dafuq is the last person in your PDF?

Lastly - Seeing as your demanding your isk back here is a referral code you can enter :)

http://i.imgur.com/dURMGcP.jpg

I'll admit it. I have hired people in the past that eventually became close friends of mine and joined me in some of my corps or even the corps of some of my friends, like Internet Terrorists. Amazing people by the way.

Just because my bankers become my friends and you start to notice consistencies in our history shouldn't make you feel too intelligent.

Now, some of the big players even get to know me and eventually, I refer them to Internet Terrorists and thus, you get those consistencies as well. Some of the real old big players, like Andy Moo, also joined us in Da'kaynor during the EVEalopalous.com era when I actually played eve a bit.

But don't make any false claims you don't have complete proof of. All you've shown here is that some of the big players that I have gotten to know in my 3 years of service have become friends of mine. NOT that they are bankers.

IF at any time I give anyone an advantage, EVEN my close friends, the validity of IwantISK.com would be destroyed. Why?

Let me explain.
If at any moment I let one of my friends win anything through rigging, they will bury it in their head that rigging is something possible on IwantISK.com. This means if a huge 200 billion ISK raffle comes up, NONE of my friends would EVER go into it. Why? Because they would have a part of their brain telling them that there could be a possibility that this raffle will be rigged for one of my other friends in the moment. This also goes for anyone that isn't a close friend of mine. (I consider everyone a friend in one way or another =])

Rigging any of the results, even for my friends, would slowly eat away at our validity and thus make us start truly losing players.
The reason we don't lose any of our players is because they know nothing on IwantISK.com is rigged. It doesn't need to be. We make 2% of every transaction which totals out to about 100 billion ISK a day in profits.

100 billion ISK in profits that we use to give back to the community.
Why would I want to scam everyone if having a legit casino is such delectably good business?

AND IF there are any bankers that are playing with alts, it really makes no difference. They aren't given any advantage and I don't micromanage. I code security to make sure no one has any advantage in any way. Talk to some of the hackers we have worked with to see just how much security there is =] Since we do hire bankers from our player pool, there are bound to be some bankers with alts. All that means is you have a chance to take their billions!

P.S. Sending ISK in game is an in-game mechanic. Thus, depositing ISK to IwantISK.com makes it an in-game circumstance and can't possibly be considered an out of game scam, as no out of game mechanic was used to make you deposit. We know the E.U.L.A. We admit it can be a bit vague and confusing but we adhere to it.

Love you all and I hope you all know that there is nothing more fun to me than to have this be completely legit and to see a legit success come from it. We will get weird consistencies like the ones shown above, but for those of you that understand how the site works, you know that none of it is far from being statistically accurate.

Cheers!

Eep Eep summed all of this up very well, imho.

I found I Want Isk through a Jita X-Games Admiral Taylor hosted randomly a few months ago, after I had just returned to the game for a couple years of being inactive. I won about 300 mil from it then discovered the website later that night after he invited us all to the I Want Isk channel to play X-Games. I was very skeptical as I was never a very social person in EVE and always heard _everything_ in EVE was a scam.

But I threw 50 mil of my 300mil winnings in to the level 1 slot machine, and kept it up for a little bit until hitting a jackpot worth 3bil or so on higher level machine. I won't go in to details on how much I won or lost on IWI, as that information is available in an earlier post on this thread, but over that 2-3 month period, i quickly made far more friends in the I Want Isk chat, both players and bankers, than I had in 5 years of playing EVE off and on by myself.

So yes, once the opportunity arose to become a banker, I jumped on it so fast your head would spin. Why? Why the hell not. The pay is good if you work hard and long hours, and I was already hanging around in the channel every night as a player anyway. Any one of our players, from the poorest to the richest have said they would love to be a banker because they just love being around our community every day.


As for Andy and Tolandruth, the guys you seem to want to attack for being "bots" or whatever, they spend more money per day than most players in EVE will ever see in their corp/alliance wallets in their EVE careers.

Andy had 30% of the tickets to the Infinite pool where he won 450billion. Which means he spent over 1.2 Trillion to win 450billion. Tolandruth lost about 400 billion in that same pool period and won 180bil from the pool. Lenny lost about 300billion+ and only won 4billion in the pool.

All of these guys are friends of ours, that's no secret. But they have no advantage whatsoever OTHER than being insanely rich and not really caring if they win or lose billions at a time. They know it's gambling, as do most of our players. It's a game, you can and will lose plenty.

So you would prefer we had bankers playing but from secret identities?

You won 25 billion from 800 mil... How did you lose billions?

As I said and have done on so many occasions... Even streamed on twitch my playing Chars (Septu / Macaya / Demoness...)

We don't hide it for transparency, were not like the rest of the other sites. I am pretty sure I say this at least 5 - 6 times a day and on Twitch etc.

We show our backend and we also show profits / loss's (yes we do from time to time take a loss) for the day. All you have to do is ask and speak with us, instead you sent us mails while we were offline demanding isk to keep shun without allowing us to speak with you first...

However you resulted in going off on your own making your own assumptions and now you look foolish for having done so. If you don't want to play on our site, we are sad to see any person go, but your reasoning for doing so is wrong and you are mistaken.

Isk is relative to the player. Some cannot believe that other players have hundreds of billions of isk. So when they see hundreds of billions/trillions won, they just cannot fathom how on earth that is/was possible. Its like going into a casino and playing blackjack. The guy next to you is dropping 25K per hand while you play $5 a hand...

We don't need to scam anyone. The house takes a 2% cut which we give some back in various ways (x games / promos / twitch etc). This weekend alone we have given away in prizes over 400 billion...

Lastly - How it all works

Player A - loses
Player B - Wins
House - 2%

However the following can happen:

Player A - Wins - x2
Player B - Wins - Duplicate
House - loses isk

(the above can be modified into many possible outcomes)

Again - we have never hidden anything from players, TS3 is always open where you can speak directly to bankers / listen to players competing on the raffles etc. We have a open door policy and will show / share with you about how the site works...

Cannot say fairer than that and without releasing the code to the site, not sure how else to prove our legitimacy other than what we provide already.

You yourself have won 25 bil so not even sure why you are even doing this, unless there is another agenda...

o7

If the guys on the leaderboards are all related to the site, what does it say to everyone that YOU are also on the leaderboards this month? Funny you didn't mention (or show) that in your leaderboard pics when calling out Andy Moo and Tolandruth Rahl.


http://gyazo.com/4b0a92edea3028b5fd0271aa55c764c9

http://gyazo.com/9550ee013b3c7702154ee7517656e0cb


Also ironic that Septu, the guy you also called out for being a banker is BELOW you on the leaderboards this month? Yeah, must be a scam. We must be favoring you over our bankers! :rollseyes:



As IRON BANK stated, we've always been transparent about our bankers playing on the site. They have absolutely NO advantage, as I Want Isk said earlier. All results are generated from Random.org, so the only way our bankers could have an advantage over our players is if random.org cheated for them. The reason we don't PLAY on our bankers is because, even though our actual banker toons can only do transactions, nothing administration/code level, people may still feel it's unfair.

But none of our players give a crap that bankers play on their normal accounts. They are the reason the pools get so big. They are the reason the Jackpots get so big. They are the reason the raffles end quickly. They spend the most money. They allow people opportunities to win much larger amounts than they could if the bankers didn't play.

bewzee you seem like a nice guy to me :=)

But do your chief a favour and dont create a PR-Desaster for them.

"But none of our players give a crap that bankers play on their normal accounts. They are the reason the pools get so big. They are the reason the Jackpots get so big. They are the reason the raffles end quickly. They spend the most money. They allow people opportunities to win much larger amounts than they could if the bankers didn't play."

1.) But none of our players give a crap that bankers play on their normal accounts.

Really ? are you sure ? I would have a Problem to lose against a guy with unlimited credit ?!

2.)They are the reason the pools get so big.

What says that about the 1 Trillion Isk awarded ? who much was awarded to your own staff ?

3.)They spend the most money

Ok then the Bankers are the best customers ?

To sum up your posting sounds very weird. You cant talk away the fact that the site looks very suspicious.

Actually I am currently looking in to this as this is indeed something that shouldn't be happening. Even though we are actually connected to random.org, our bits are not coming down.