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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-12-23 15:26:58 UTC
I think we are looking at a champion trolling thread here, mostly because of the involvement of a Rattlesnake in Osmon.

But a couple of points I saw as I read, one being the ban on attacking new people applies in training systems only, right? Osmon is certainly not a training system. It's gank city and has been for some time.

The other, the SOE epic arc was mentioned as a 'newbie quest'. Is it? I didn't think it was, but I honestly haven't tried it yet. Is it protected like newbie systems are? IE: if harassed while doing it, will CCP act on the complaint, like they would if some destroyer was ganking 1-hour old players in Cistuvaert?
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-12-23 15:31:11 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Missions are boring. The balance is being able to go AFK.


The balance is that you can be engaged in combat at any time. PvE exists to give players points of conflict. If you want to be safe, you need to find a different game.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Melvin Earl,
Now if new players are being killed by an older player while doing starter missions (also includes Sisters of Eve epic arc), then report the player who is doing it. CCP has stated many times that new players are not to be messed with while doing those missions.


New players who leave the new player systems are fair game wherever they are found. New players are routinely scamed and killed in the Dagan mission.

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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#63 - 2013-12-23 15:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
celebro wrote:
You know how a saved my mission ship? Because I was AT THE KEYBOARD and scooped my MTU as soon as someone came in,.


As much as I hate it when people know how to avoid my attempts to blow up their mission ships, this guy has it down. Just scoop the damn thing. (Also, don't have your drones set to auto-agro). Of the 10 or so people I have attempted this against only one has fallen for it (actually 2, but I couldn't point 2 people at once), so it just goes to show that it's avoidable and the people falling prey to people are the ones who are making daft mistakes.

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Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#64 - 2013-12-23 16:16:00 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
I think we are looking at a champion trolling thread here, mostly because of the involvement of a Rattlesnake in Osmon.

But a couple of points I saw as I read, one being the ban on attacking new people applies in training systems only, right? Osmon is certainly not a training system. It's gank city and has been for some time.

The other, the SOE epic arc was mentioned as a 'newbie quest'. Is it? I didn't think it was, but I honestly haven't tried it yet. Is it protected like newbie systems are? IE: if harassed while doing it, will CCP act on the complaint, like they would if some destroyer was ganking 1-hour old players in Cistuvaert?


Along with the 12 newb systems Arnon was included as a system where canflipping was prohibited, so perhaps that's where the idea is from.
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#65 - 2013-12-23 17:24:27 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Melvin Earl wrote:
Missions are boring. The balance is being able to go AFK.


The balance is that you can be engaged in combat at any time. PvE exists to give players points of conflict. If you want to be safe, you need to find a different game.



I agree with most everything else you said, and think the OP is either a troll or really never did get the memo "never undock in anything you can't afford to lose". However, saying "PVE exists to give players points of conflict" is a bit far fetched. The PVE exists to make isk, just like mining. Possibility of having conflict while making isk is an added benefit.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#66 - 2013-12-23 17:44:14 UTC
Milan Nantucket wrote:
Melvin Earl wrote:
Missions are boring. The balance is being able to go AFK.....


Most people do not play games that are boring. Playing a video game is for entertainment.

By your logic I find driving a car boring.... I don't understand why my car crashed when I crawled in the back seat to goto sleep.


This happens when I AFK Drive in GT

Im just glad the other drivers are there to enact The Code on my ass

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Bruce Kemp
Best Kept Dunked
#67 - 2013-12-23 18:17:51 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Undock (EVE Definition: I hereby consent to PVP)

1/10

PVP is not belong to high sec.


Eve is a pvp game, did you not know this? Shocked
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#68 - 2013-12-23 18:19:20 UTC
lol his face

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-12-23 18:29:40 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Joia Crenca wrote:
I think we are looking at a champion trolling thread here, mostly because of the involvement of a Rattlesnake in Osmon.

But a couple of points I saw as I read, one being the ban on attacking new people applies in training systems only, right? Osmon is certainly not a training system. It's gank city and has been for some time.

The other, the SOE epic arc was mentioned as a 'newbie quest'. Is it? I didn't think it was, but I honestly haven't tried it yet. Is it protected like newbie systems are? IE: if harassed while doing it, will CCP act on the complaint, like they would if some destroyer was ganking 1-hour old players in Cistuvaert?


The soe arc difficulty ranges from that of a level 1 to a level 2 mission. It can be started in a frigate, and the difficulty progression will end with most new players being in their first cruiser for the final mission. The tutorial agents direct players to arnon to take part in the arc upon completion of the tutorials if I remember correctly.

I have heard that ccp will act against people griefing in arnon and other surrounding systems, but haven't actually seen it myself. I assume the circumstances of the situation would have a lot to do with potential action of the gm's. Basically its ill advised to hunt new players that are completing the arc for the first time.

As for the OP, god this was a terrible trollthread.

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Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
#70 - 2013-12-23 18:31:36 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Undock (EVE Definition: I hereby consent to PVP)

1/10

PVP is not belong to high sec.

Citation needed.

Seriously.

Post a link to this rule.

Kthxbai

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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2013-12-23 19:02:04 UTC
Classic Melvin Earl, still trolling I see.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#72 - 2013-12-23 19:46:07 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Melvin Earl,
Now if new players are being killed by an older player while doing starter missions (also includes Sisters of Eve epic arc), then report the player who is doing it. CCP has stated many times that new players are not to be messed with while doing those missions.


New players who leave the new player systems are fair game wherever they are found. New players are routinely scamed and killed in the Dagan mission.


GM Homonoia wrote:
Ok, this seems to be getting out of hand and our rulings are pulled out of context. So let me state this in the most simple terms possible.

1. New PLAYERS are protected by CCP in the systems listed here: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rookie_Systems
2. No one is protected in systems outside of this list.
3. None but new PLAYERS are protected by CCP in any way.
4. If new PLAYERS keep getting harassed the list of systems may be expanded.
5. Players cannot see which characters are new PLAYERS and which are old players with new CHARACTERS; game masters CAN see this and we act accordingly.
6. It is impossible to define what a new PLAYER is in a way that is comprehensible, to the point and without loop holes, in addition to our players able to apply these rules to their fellow players around them. This means that we will not provide a hard definition to our player base, however game masters internally can apply these rules consistently and without bias.
7. In general do NOT mess around with new PLAYERS; anyone else is fair game.

The above guidelines are not up for discussion and they will not be further clarified. If you need further clarification you are probably doing something you should not be doing.

Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master
#152 Posted: 2012.06.14 18:36

New players are impossible to define in Eve from our end. GM's can look at total hours played, amount of characters per account, amount of accounts per internet address, transactions history, contacts, etc. Nobody knows exactly how they evaluate a new player.

One thing is for sure - CCP can and will change the rules pertaining to new players if needed, including the addition of more systems to the rookie system list. Currently there's 25 different systems on that list.

The OP sounded like a new player to me which is why I said submit a support ticket and let CCP handle it. Anyway, this thread is a train wreck and quite possibly was created as a troll. As such, I'm done with it.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#73 - 2013-12-23 19:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Logical 101
Melvin Earl wrote:
PVP is not belong to high sec.

Remove high sec. Problem solved.
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2013-12-23 20:10:12 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


The OP sounded like a new player to me which is why I said submit a support ticket and let CCP handle it. Anyway, this thread is a train wreck and quite possibly was created as a troll. As such, I'm done with it.

DMC


I'll just put this here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3280494#post3280494

And these:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=237179

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2981232#post2981232

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2972804#post2972804

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2917339#post2917339

ok last one:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=237179
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2013-12-23 20:14:16 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
The OP sounded like a new player to me which is why I said submit a support ticket and let CCP handle it.
You really need to get your hearing checked. “Rattlesnake” is not a word you hear connected to newbies — and that's before we even go into such obvious and easily available things like posting history. So your suggestions are pretty much completely inapplicable to his case.
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
#76 - 2013-12-23 20:25:11 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Undock (EVE Definition: I hereby consent to PVP)

1/10

PVP is not belong to high sec.


WRONG!
Zen Dad
Solitary Sad Bastard In Space
#77 - 2013-12-23 20:58:05 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Missions are boring. The balance is being able to go AFK. Now they don't let that happen and people come kill my friend and he comes back to monitor and is in station, podded. This is high sec. High sec is not for player combat. Is for missions. If I want player combat I go to low sec. I do like Regulators who come kill the guy who killed my tractor beam can, but they don't give me his loot or mine back. Make Concord come and kill the players who kill my tractor beam can.


I didn't know that Borat played Eve...
Josef Djugashvilis
#78 - 2013-12-23 21:46:11 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Melvin Earl wrote:
PVP is not belong to high sec.

Remove high sec. Problem solved.



Oh dear, you seem to be suffering from a touch of 'pixel hard-man' syndrome.

Your condition can be greatly alleviated by frequent and generous applications of common sense.

Of course, as CCP want their game to continue with more than a very few null-sec players, they may not take you up on your startlingly original idea.

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Shadow Love
Strategic Exploration and Development Corp
Silent Company
#79 - 2013-12-24 00:51:02 UTC
I love how people on this forum want so badly for this to be the predominant highsec mentality that they will latch on to obvious troll threads like these with posts like "undock = pvp" and "delete highsec is the answer" in order to validate their own hardcore pvp mindset. I mean, there is no way that people do not know this is a troll.

The only real explanation as to why this thread has any replies is the obvious chestbeaters who want everyone to know that they have the cool forum mindset have to post to validate it, and then equally stupid chestbeaters like me posting to call them out.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2013-12-24 00:55:47 UTC
Melvin Earl wrote:
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Undock (EVE Definition: I hereby consent to PVP)

1/10

PVP is not belong to high sec.


#81Posted: 2013.06.09 15:44 | Report
Once again those exploiters are at it again. What is the point of the war declaration mechanic if it is easily avoided?

Petitioning to have the war declaration fee reimbursed.

So it does not belong in high sec but you wanted reimbursement for a war dec? Interesting.