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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2013-12-25 08:47:43 UTC
So who was the PL titan that DD'ed JEFFRAIDER's Moros on the G-0 undock?
Because lol
Totally irrelevant to the thread but I don't care.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#202 - 2013-12-25 09:43:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/AvU6SW0.jpg


The current state of nullsec warfare looks like countless fuN!!!!11111


It is more like blobs online. That is the true killer.

So until there are blobs Archons and their drones are just fine because is the only way to counter them.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#203 - 2013-12-25 12:37:58 UTC
See that is just being flat dumb... They were matching subcap numbers for weeks.. Then when we actually get evenish numbers they switch to all caps..

They were literally dropping 3 full fleets on BL everytime we farted for like 2 months.. Now oh noes you blob us.. cfc blob.. grr..

The real issue is they got tired of retraining subsystem skills and decided to play slowcats online..

Have you ever really compared the numbers of the 2 blocks fighting .. There alot closer then you think
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#204 - 2013-12-25 13:23:59 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/AvU6SW0.jpg


The current state of nullsec warfare looks like countless fuN!!!!11111


It is more like blobs online. That is the true killer.

So until there are blobs Archons and their drones are just fine because is the only way to counter them.


And how about when there are blobs of Archons?
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#205 - 2013-12-25 13:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/AvU6SW0.jpg


The current state of nullsec warfare looks like countless fuN!!!!11111


It is more like blobs online. That is the true killer.

So until there are blobs Archons and their drones are just fine because is the only way to counter them.


And how about when there are blobs of Archons?


That is a looong way to go. But if that happens than ofc nerf whatever the blob is flying. If not, the game dies.

And to Gary. Yeah sure Russians + CFC vs N3 and PL equal numbers. It is like 2-3 x times bigger.
In last 2 wars you sided with CFC (against TEST and now against N3). Blobbers!
In this war there were from the beggining RAZOR and CFC bomber wings.
You also dont hesitate to drop 50+ dreads on every little skirmish that happens in lowsec. IMO if you nerf Archons and sentries than nerf Dreads so they shouldn't even be able lock anything smaller than a BS.

Stop being a hypocrite.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#206 - 2013-12-25 13:40:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodmyst Ranwar
By no means am I a vet in this game.....

But it seems to me the problem is the Larger Ship hulls in this game such as Carriers, Titans etc. So much tank whilst having so many drones can only promote stale game play especially when X amount of pilots in the blob are taking orders from 1 person. Also, it's been mentioned a few times in this thread that these fights last for so many hours with only a few losses. (3 - 5 Archon losses in 4 hours is a bit..... well too drawn out)

IMO, a solution needs to be implemented that will try to break these blobs into much smaller numbers, thus promoting greater strategic game play (not just we all follow order from one person and press F1). Whatever that solution may be I have no idea and this is why we have game developers. But the quick fix to it now , is just delete these hulls from the game or convert them into industrial ships only.

Meh, my 2 cents worth....
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#207 - 2013-12-25 13:42:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Drones don't need to be nerfed. Massive fleet sizes need to be nerfed.

There needs to be a maximum 100 members pet entire fleet, no higher.
Perhaps an even harsher punishment for blobbing, by preventing the use of friendly remote effects to anybody except those in your fleet. That means each fleet needs its own logistics, and cannot use any other fleet's logistics.

Force the use of more FCs, rather than more "Wing/Squad Commanders".

Drone assist however can be changed to only allow assisting to the Squad Commander or other squad mates.

Katrina Oniseki
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#208 - 2013-12-25 13:53:12 UTC
Meh. Get rid of jump drive mechanics; all ships use stargates.

Never liked that mechanic in the first place.

Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook 

Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#209 - 2013-12-25 14:52:54 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/AvU6SW0.jpg


The current state of nullsec warfare looks like countless fuN!!!!11111


It is more like blobs online. That is the true killer.

So until there are blobs Archons and their drones are just fine because is the only way to counter them.


And how about when there are blobs of Archons?


That is a looong way to go. But if that happens than ofc nerf whatever the blob is flying. If not, the game dies.

And to Gary. Yeah sure Russians + CFC vs N3 and PL equal numbers. It is like 2-3 x times bigger.
In last 2 wars you sided with CFC (against TEST and now against N3). Blobbers!
In this war there were from the beggining RAZOR and CFC bomber wings.
You also dont hesitate to drop 50+ dreads on every little skirmish that happens in lowsec. IMO if you nerf Archons and sentries than nerf Dreads so they shouldn't even be able lock anything smaller than a BS.

Stop being a hypocrite.


Didn't PL/NC. outblob solar out of their space?
Don't PL/NC. outblob anyone with caps/supers?
Don't Nulli outblob BL fleets?
Don't Goons outblob pretty much everyone?

Just because you are outnumbered, doesn't mean you have to grind the fights to a halt.
It's not like there's anything else to do... one blue donut has to fight the other blue donut.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#210 - 2013-12-25 15:07:16 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
See that is just being flat dumb... They were matching subcap numbers for weeks.. Then when we actually get evenish numbers they switch to all caps..

They were literally dropping 3 full fleets on BL everytime we farted for like 2 months.. Now oh noes you blob us.. cfc blob.. grr..

The real issue is they got tired of retraining subsystem skills and decided to play slowcats online..

Have you ever really compared the numbers of the 2 blocks fighting .. There alot closer then you think


Yea, you heard it h ere first, N3 is almost as large as the CFC.....everything in this post is as true as that fact.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#211 - 2013-12-25 15:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Zloco Crendraven
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/AvU6SW0.jpg


The current state of nullsec warfare looks like countless fuN!!!!11111


It is more like blobs online. That is the true killer.

So until there are blobs Archons and their drones are just fine because is the only way to counter them.


And how about when there are blobs of Archons?


That is a looong way to go. But if that happens than ofc nerf whatever the blob is flying. If not, the game dies.

And to Gary. Yeah sure Russians + CFC vs N3 and PL equal numbers. It is like 2-3 x times bigger.
In last 2 wars you sided with CFC (against TEST and now against N3). Blobbers!
In this war there were from the beggining RAZOR and CFC bomber wings.
You also dont hesitate to drop 50+ dreads on every little skirmish that happens in lowsec. IMO if you nerf Archons and sentries than nerf Dreads so they shouldn't even be able lock anything smaller than a BS.

Stop being a hypocrite.


Didn't PL/NC. outblob solar out of their space?
Don't PL/NC. outblob anyone with caps/supers?
Don't Nulli outblob BL fleets?
Don't Goons outblob pretty much everyone?

Just because you are outnumbered, doesn't mean you have to grind the fights to a halt.
It's not like there's anything else to do... one blue donut has to fight the other blue donut.


Goons are the reason for this. Instead of fighting for a true cause, eradicating the true illness in EVE (the blue donut), you joined them because of being EMO about PL. You guys had my and all of EVE utter respect until you joined CFC against TEST???? Cmn!
PL are pussssies hidden behind their caps. I really would like few fair and square skirmishes with them for a change. Never had one but had many possibilities. But i kind a understand them, what in earth else they could do with all these blue donuts around?
NC. would have my respect, things they did up in the north against the CFC was amazing. But they became like EMOx10000 compared to you guys, BL.

Nulli, SOLAR, and DoD are the model alliances IMO. If all null alliances would have their mentality EVE would be amazing. It is not always about winning.

BALEX, bringing piracy on a whole new level.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#212 - 2013-12-25 17:15:54 UTC
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!

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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#213 - 2013-12-25 17:37:31 UTC
Zloco Crendraven wrote:


Nulli, SOLAR, and DoD are the model alliances IMO. If all null alliances would have their mentality EVE would be amazing. It is not always about winning.


I understand Solar... kind of understand DoD... how the hell is Nulli a model alliance though?
What have they done on their own, without PL ?
Gary Bell
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#214 - 2013-12-25 17:43:33 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Gary Bell wrote:
See that is just being flat dumb... They were matching subcap numbers for weeks.. Then when we actually get evenish numbers they switch to all caps..

They were literally dropping 3 full fleets on BL everytime we farted for like 2 months.. Now oh noes you blob us.. cfc blob.. grr..

The real issue is they got tired of retraining subsystem skills and decided to play slowcats online..

Have you ever really compared the numbers of the 2 blocks fighting .. There alot closer then you think


Yea, you heard it h ere first, N3 is almost as large as the CFC.....everything in this post is as true as that fact.


Grath honestly you know as well as I do that you guys can field the same numbers you just choose not to because you have your trump card..

And do I really need to start linking killboard fights where we were killing nulli canes in munnins and you guys drop a prot fleet and then insidious shows up in there brutix fleet.. All to dogpile us..

I agree with some of what you said about drones but honestly dont play dumb
Scuzzy Logic
Space Spuds
#215 - 2013-12-25 19:47:03 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Drones don't need to be nerfed. Massive fleet sizes need to be nerfed.

There needs to be a maximum 100 members pet entire fleet, no higher.
Perhaps an even harsher punishment for blobbing, by preventing the use of friendly remote effects to anybody except those in your fleet. That means each fleet needs its own logistics, and cannot use any other fleet's logistics.

Force the use of more FCs, rather than more "Wing/Squad Commanders".

Drone assist however can be changed to only allow assisting to the Squad Commander or other squad mates.


Blobbing could easily be remedied by adding more AoE to the game. The old doomsdays made Titans the end-all to blobs.

I still don't get why those were removed...
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
#216 - 2013-12-25 19:53:05 UTC
Scuzzy Logic wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Drones don't need to be nerfed. Massive fleet sizes need to be nerfed.

There needs to be a maximum 100 members pet entire fleet, no higher.
Perhaps an even harsher punishment for blobbing, by preventing the use of friendly remote effects to anybody except those in your fleet. That means each fleet needs its own logistics, and cannot use any other fleet's logistics.

Force the use of more FCs, rather than more "Wing/Squad Commanders".

Drone assist however can be changed to only allow assisting to the Squad Commander or other squad mates.


Blobbing could easily be remedied by adding more AoE to the game. The old doomsdays made Titans the end-all to blobs.

I still don't get why those were removed...


Yeah give AOE DDs to titans and watch N3/PL not field a single subcap ever again :D
Actually I'd like to see that... once.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#217 - 2013-12-25 20:50:32 UTC
Gary Bell wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Gary Bell wrote:
See that is just being flat dumb... They were matching subcap numbers for weeks.. Then when we actually get evenish numbers they switch to all caps..

They were literally dropping 3 full fleets on BL everytime we farted for like 2 months.. Now oh noes you blob us.. cfc blob.. grr..

The real issue is they got tired of retraining subsystem skills and decided to play slowcats online..

Have you ever really compared the numbers of the 2 blocks fighting .. There alot closer then you think


Yea, you heard it h ere first, N3 is almost as large as the CFC.....everything in this post is as true as that fact.


Grath honestly you know as well as I do that you guys can field the same numbers you just choose not to because you have your trump card..

And do I really need to start linking killboard fights where we were killing nulli canes in munnins and you guys drop a prot fleet and then insidious shows up in there brutix fleet.. All to dogpile us..

I agree with some of what you said about drones but honestly dont play dumb


I'm not playing dumb, stop thinking of yourself as just BL. Most fights you had RZR on the line, now days you have Goons (who can throw 1k dudes together faster than Mel Gibson can jewrant himself out of a career).

You are not now, nor have you been since the start of fountain a singular alliance, you are part of a group, that group is the CFC, you have been since you signed on with them in Fountain, so playing the "oh woe is my little 1k man alliance" card doesn't work, because its not just you and you damn well know it, so no, we're not ever going to just come with a little bit because the second the fight turns sour Elo has and will bellow for big daddy Goon to come save him.

Sorry if that sucks to hear but it is what it is.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#218 - 2013-12-25 20:51:23 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Scuzzy Logic wrote:
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Drones don't need to be nerfed. Massive fleet sizes need to be nerfed.

There needs to be a maximum 100 members pet entire fleet, no higher.
Perhaps an even harsher punishment for blobbing, by preventing the use of friendly remote effects to anybody except those in your fleet. That means each fleet needs its own logistics, and cannot use any other fleet's logistics.

Force the use of more FCs, rather than more "Wing/Squad Commanders".

Drone assist however can be changed to only allow assisting to the Squad Commander or other squad mates.


Blobbing could easily be remedied by adding more AoE to the game. The old doomsdays made Titans the end-all to blobs.

I still don't get why those were removed...


Yeah give AOE DDs to titans and watch N3/PL not field a single subcap ever again :D
Actually I'd like to see that... once.


Yea, cause we don't actually field sub caps at all now, and we sure never had titans back when AOE DD's were a thing right?Roll

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#219 - 2013-12-25 23:23:55 UTC
Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Drone assist whine threads : Easier than coming up with a counter-tactic.


I really don't care who wins and who loses.
I just care about having fun and abusing the **** out of the drone mechanic doesn't make the experience fun :(
The tidi is ridiculous, so is the lack of kills in long-hour fights.

No fun allowed :(



you dont need to do these fights, you're a free man and noone can force you to do that.

Zulu Death Mask wrote:
Is that why N3PL uses slowcats even when numbers are 1:1 ?

numbers are never 1:1, in terms of subcaps the opposition of N3 (known as rest of eve) will always outblob them by huge margin.

Zulu Death Mask wrote:

Again you seem to spout more incorrect information without having addressed the previous wrong information you provided.
But I'll retort anyway:

Quite a few fights have been 1:1 and you still drop slowcats.
Quite a few battles could have been 1:1 if you guys didn't just drop slowcats+ some inties/bombers.

nope. As soon as N3 fields subcaps the escalation is inevitable and more wild hordes of people will pour into system, you'll get bombed by gazzilions of bombers, sniped by nullified coward tengus and neutered by a fleet of phoons, while being swarmed by clouds of interdictors and interceptors. This isnt a fight N3 could win, they tried but gave up on that.



Zulu Death Mask wrote:
So basically what you're saying is that you find it justified that one side can stop the opponent by basically fielding so many caps/scaps that they either kill the enemy or bring down the node? Withthat last outcome basically stopping every other possibility of happening. Is that what you're saying?

its exactly the strategy of goons being deployed by goons over years, clogging enemies guns with their bodies leaving no room for win or fun at all. N3 does same with capital warfare and plays enemies cowardice to escalate against them - one side always win somehow, ist just not goons this time, how is this wrong?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#220 - 2013-12-25 23:25:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Azami Nevinyrall wrote:
Oh noes....sentry drones, everywhere!!!

We can't figure out a way to beat that without giving up our F1 drones!!!

CCP can we haz Archon nerf?

No one's allowed to beat us!

---

It's going to be fun after that dread fleet gets owned from ~tactics~ that doesn't involve backdoor SOV drops. I wonder if EVEbet will take a bet on what CFC alliance changes sides first...

Its this sort of stupid posting that makes me smile. I log on specifically so I can find these little yellow brown nuggets and digest them slowly. I read this one 34.5 times. I'll save the other half for Ron.

Its stupid because it blatantly ignores the obvious OP'ness of the particular mechanic being discussed. Its stupid because its a repeat almost exactly of all the other OP mechanics that have been defended with identical idiocy and have since fallen to the nerf bat.

If one was to dredge up from its grave a long dead EvE mechanic, that was OP and abused shamelessly by long dead EvE nerds, one could also dredge up a relating post identical to the above, not a defense, not a concession, not really anything.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)