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Since there doesn't seem to be a thread on this, I'll start one. IMO, the changes currently on SiSi are massively over the top; the new destroyers are so good as to render almost all frigates pointless. This is largely because of the removal of the ROF penalty As it stands on TQ, a thrasher is a credible threat to almost any frigate, t1 or t2; the problem is that the others fall some way short. However, this isn't really for want of (potential) DPS; it's much more to do with a lack of fitting room and, in the case of the catalyst and coercer, slot layout. As it stands, the changes don't address the core issue with the coercer (ships with one mid: still stupid and pointless after all these years) and go way overboard with the other three. The aim should have been to leave the thrasher more or less unchanged and bring the other three up to its level rather than boosting them all some way above it. My fear is that if the SiSi changes go live on TQ, they're going to kill off a lot of the variety in frigate pvp without really having any beneficial effects on diversity in larger fleets.

TL;DR: keep the increased fitting room and sig radius reduction, restore the ROF penalty, give the coercer a second mid.

Yeah it seems the OP is entirely missing the point of Destroyers.

I have to agree with Daedalus Arcova, They have needed some sort of work for a long while, the Thrasher was the only destroyer that could do it's job to any extent before these changes, and even at that it was still only useful in skilled hands.

With this they may see wider use in combat allowing a cheap but useful ship for the newer players, while still allowing skilled frigate pilots to still engaged them in well formed groups.

Besides, the winter update is still a ways away and they may still change things to balance there effectiveness.
The fact is that something needs to be done, and for the past 2 years I have been voting for this matter to be looked at.

Anyway, they have there mind set on some sort of change, we can only wait and see, cause there the ones with the spread sheets LOL.

Can anyone tell the "buffs" to destroyers ? haven't really followed this part of the sisi, and I never really paid attention to destroyed beside the fact they are cool :P

At present, in fleets at least, destroyers are pretty pointless, they don't survive long enough in a fleet fight to actually counter things like interceptors. They are basically just used as a stepping stone for new pilots until they get into cruisers.

So fixing them and making them relevant is entirely welcome. I was more excited about this than the new battlecruisers.

However, regarding your initial point, I agree, that it could make life trickier proposition for frigates.

But that is because, personally I feel that Frigates are also far to vulnerable to be relevant in fleets of larger ships. They are either killed by drones or the Zealot pilot who ignores the primary target in his quest for killboard glory (You know who you are Zealot kill mail whores).

While Interceptors are still pretty handy, they too tend to die pretty easily when doing the role they are designed to do - close down range. I mean - an interceptor speeding after a sniping gang is easy prey because it's transversal velocity is nill.

I would like to see the survivability of frigates increased significantly, so they are relevant to the game and fun to fly in mixed fleets. It sort of gets boring to see everyone in abaddon's time after time... or tempests etc... you get the idea.

This sums up this whole thread.

Now for space beer.

OH GOD I LOVE THE THRASHER SO MUCH. +1 for a winter expansion marketed as being a hybrid-buffing rebalance but actually just making hail and the thrasher both horrifyingly better. fap fap fap

tbh tho, despite this being my take on it... the tornado is just too far. the minmatar epicness train just went too far with that ship. like, this is just getting dumb at this point.

anyway, back on topic

AWWW the tuskers really are the most narrow minded arrogant pathetic little whiners in eve cant adapt so they choose to cry about a long needed buff

As is the destroyers one job is to evaporate frigs if your too pig headed to adapt to this change and fly with a few more people/change your tactics you deserve to die out of eve like the dodo you lot are

ADAPT OR DIE

YOU CHOOSE DIE AND THEN CRY

ok it dose 650dps how much tank dose it have

OH WAIT IT DOSNT HAVE A TANK

quit crying about it you whining babies and just SHOOT IT

Whatever they do it will be great for destroyers which are designed to kill T1 frigates and perhape be on average with Assault frigates...

Whatever buff they get I take it no questions asked!!! I will only ask for ONE thing: Remove a turret from the Thrasher...

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