EVE General Discussion

7 of those alts are pure pvp SB's. 1 is a scout and 1 is a smartbombing relic camper. That leaves 1 for repeatedly winning the lottery :)

The Goon Dream is Dead, but the Goon propaganda machine is well and truly alive.


As to the original OP. There is no player driven content in EVE. EvE is purely developer created content. Since I started playing in 2003 people have sat at gates and kill other people with overwhelming force.

The only actual content that has been added is PVE content (ghost sites, relic and data sites, WH space which is primarily PVE content, anoms, plexes). CCP continues to add ships for the ADD crowd but the PvP content 10 years later is still sitting at gates and killing players with overwhelming force.

As to sov warefare the mechanics are created by CCP so that there is purely one way to win and that's to reinforce and then bring back as many people as possible to overwhelm any resistance. There is no player created option to use stealthy, skill, intelligence or ruse, its purely turn up at X time and bring as many people as you can. There can be no argument that the players create any content in sov warfare, they run the content that has been created.

If CCP wants to hook in more players, they need to do the following:

Add content that players can run, Sov included that doesn't involve one single themepark ride (blobbing & grinding).

Find a better system than spawning players at a zoneline and within 15k (optimal) of the waiting enemy. In most MMO's zone line camping is bannable, because its really a crappy way to PvP. You have no options in regards to choosing range, tactics or ability to evade other than trying to run away while you're being overwhelmed by an enemy group.

Fix the Catalyst ganking nonsense. EvE has a very steep learning curve. As a new player venturing out of a newbie system you have to contend with alts of established players instakilling you and popping your pod for no other reason than they want to make you quit. The developers have seemingly lost control of their ability to balance risk vs rewards, the ability to balance ship classes (frigate hulls such as the catalyst putting out the dps of a HAC).

If you want to experience an enjoyable game, with emergent player driven content, then as a newbie, EVE is certainly not for you.

As far as I am aware DUST 514 subs are included in CCP's numbers which makes it very difficult to determine Eve's subs.

EVE is old. It is far from dying but it is very old compared to modern times. EVE audience is old aswell. EVE is from era when games were hard and it was norm. Problem lies that other old games changed rapidly or died out to keep up with modern times. EVE has been lagging behind. For vets or people who has been playing since PC gaming was in its baby shoes, EVE has become much easier. But it still has plenty of old elements that lable game as "old". Missions are one of those old gaming features where you grind your red dots over and over and over again with same repeditive missions.

I believe that EVE vision, of how game should be is holding EVE in standstill. You will never see rapid growth in player base because how EVE is today, nor will it die because game has very loyal player base that enjoy hard, old style of game. But it does not give much leverage for devs either.

This is where PLEX comes in aswell. I bet only few of you would pay 10... 20.. 30(?) accounts for real money to play EVE. But thanks to PLEX and how you can obtain it via ingame currency will allow you to keep many alts without ending up living under bridge in real life. Problem with it lies that eventually it will become game of alts. When I see 40.000 players online, I know that it is not real number. New player might think that this game is so populated but eventually find out that many people you see in space are just alt of an alt or an alt or a spy who is alt of .. and so on. Alts do bring quality of life for players, like cheap scouts, haulers, spies and what not but it also hurts gameplay. Why would you need help from that guy to run mission when you can just make alt? Why get corp mate to scout for you when you can just make alt? Why ask guy to transmport your stuff when you can have alt? It hurts EVE. People asking full API when applying to corp because fear of spy alts. If you are person who wish to keep his mail and other personal stuff to yourself, good luck convincing that you are not a spy or alt. These are just small examples why PLEX shuts doors of opportunity for new people and some of older players who do not play game all the time.

This is very true.

Its also important to realize that many, I would even say, the majority of MMO players like to play solo. The reason MMO's have instances and group content that is not solo-able is because if they didn't the majority would solo the content rather than group for it and it would crash the economy.

EVE is a very un-solo friendly game, thus the requirement to have alts for virtually everything not directly related to your mains skillset.

I think once SC comes out, if it offers interesting PVE and is more solo friendly, not requiring stupid number of accounts like EVE does, a very large proportion of the EVE PVE and solo community will move to that instead.

Developers ignoring solo and PVE the way there are and allowing 10% of the playerbase exclusive access to a majority of content in EVE is going to backfire on them pretty horribly. Which is possibly the reason they have released things like depots, SOE ships, MTU's and player owned POCO's.

I'll take that into account and see if I can render some good way of displaying that data without having to walk through millions and millions of rows each time (so yeah - perhaps I need to start some sort of aggregation project for this).

/c

All hail Chribba.
Without him, CCP would have to spend who knows how much cash to understand their own game.

It is pretty sad when the most valuable employee CCP has is not even paid by them.

Add nothing to the life of the game.....sorry son, without them, there IS no game.

Playing Space Engineers on your second screen while you mine in EVE with Orca support from an alt surely is the definition of healthy gaming...

Seriously though, the nice thing with EVE is that even solo PvE are a part of the economy. Also, in order to become a part of the "right" content, first you must get people to play EVE.

shrink hi - sec, make it less profitable but 100% safe from bored vets

No.

Too much focus is being put on things that are not EVE's niche.

And things that make the niche less effective are untouchable because people believe that it would destroy the game.