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Clem Fandango
Doomheim
#21 - 2013-12-22 23:38:24 UTC
Madri wrote:
Clem Fandango wrote:
Madri wrote:
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
I fully support this product/service assuming all my credit scores are within the top 10% of players.

Will you release score disclosure graphs or a table of score distribution values for comparison against? How will you calculate scores?



I have not worked out all of the details yet but it has been planned from the beginning to include a public best and worst reputation scoreboard. I am hoping that this will eventually be a constantly updated automated process available for all to see.

Scoring is simple. A character with no reports has a score of 0, positive reports add 1 to your score, negative reports subtract 1 from your score. Only confirmed credible reports will count towards or against a capsuleers score.


So for every person I rip off I just need to make a documented transaction to an alt to get +1'd back to neutral? Sounds cool.



No, you need to provide objective evidence to move a score in either direction. Your alt is not objective or evidence. But you are more than welcome to use your alts to talk about yourself to our database as much as you feel the need to. ^^



It's objective in so far as you don't know it's my alt, and I can provide infinite amounts of proof of good transactions.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#22 - 2013-12-23 00:48:23 UTC


I too don't think things through very well before posting them on the forums.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Madri
Siren's Sqaull
#23 - 2013-12-23 02:01:48 UTC
Clem Fandango wrote:

It's objective in so far as you don't know it's my alt, and I can provide infinite amounts of proof of good transactions.


*sigh* Let me put it this way, if there is room for doubt, or it could be faked, there will be no +1 or -1 to the score. Your alt, or just another random capsuleer will not sway the score. But you are totally welcome to spam your own file with your alts with any information you want, we just won't consider it credible.
culo duro
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2013-12-23 02:21:10 UTC
Madri wrote:
Clem Fandango wrote:

It's objective in so far as you don't know it's my alt, and I can provide infinite amounts of proof of good transactions.


*sigh* Let me put it this way, if there is room for doubt, or it could be faked, there will be no +1 or -1 to the score. Your alt, or just another random capsuleer will not sway the score. But you are totally welcome to spam your own file with your alts with any information you want, we just won't consider it credible.



How are you going to know if it's my alt?

I've starting blogging http://www.epvpc.blogspot.com 
Madri
Siren's Sqaull
#25 - 2013-12-23 02:42:06 UTC
culo duro wrote:
Madri wrote:
Clem Fandango wrote:

It's objective in so far as you don't know it's my alt, and I can provide infinite amounts of proof of good transactions.


*sigh* Let me put it this way, if there is room for doubt, or it could be faked, there will be no +1 or -1 to the score. Your alt, or just another random capsuleer will not sway the score. But you are totally welcome to spam your own file with your alts with any information you want, we just won't consider it credible.



How are you going to know if it's my alt?


I am so glad you asked! We won't, and thus anything that cannot be absolutely proven will not affect your score. Unless we somehow manage to gather data that you are in fact attached to that character in some form, which is another (and more elusive) part of the service.

This means that you can spam our service with commendations from one alt to the next and it will essentially just bloat your file, but will not affect your score.

If you are so convinced that you can buff up your own reputation, I implore you to try the service for yourself and see how it works!
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#26 - 2013-12-23 04:05:50 UTC
Madri wrote:
I implore you to try the service for yourself and see how it works!



My guess is that people would have to pay you isk for that service/opinion. (an opinion is all you will ever have to sell here)
(op success???)



But that said:
Good luck scamming - but it would work better if you came up with a service that people actually needed/wanted or a plan that isn't as full of holes and run the scam off that idea.



This current idea/scam is too weak and offers no 'hook' to catch the little fishies.

https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-12-23 04:36:15 UTC
This thread sucks.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Madri
Siren's Sqaull
#28 - 2013-12-23 05:06:48 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Madri wrote:
I implore you to try the service for yourself and see how it works!



My guess is that people would have to pay you isk for that service/opinion. (an opinion is all you will ever have to sell here)
(op success???)



But that said:
Good luck scamming - but it would work better if you came up with a service that people actually needed/wanted or a plan that isn't as full of holes and run the scam off that idea.



This current idea/scam is too weak and offers no 'hook' to catch the little fishies.




This is not a scam and the service is free. You are technically correct. This would be a terrible scam.
Clem Fandango
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-23 09:36:16 UTC
Madri wrote:
Clem Fandango wrote:

It's objective in so far as you don't know it's my alt, and I can provide infinite amounts of proof of good transactions.


*sigh* Let me put it this way, if there is room for doubt, or it could be faked, there will be no +1 or -1 to the score. Your alt, or just another random capsuleer will not sway the score. But you are totally welcome to spam your own file with your alts with any information you want, we just won't consider it credible.



So what would you consider credible?
Cavalira
Habemus
#30 - 2013-12-23 10:59:31 UTC
This seems useless.
Effect One
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-12-23 11:37:52 UTC
I like your blue hair.

'This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense' - CCP Falcon
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2013-12-23 12:10:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
What does your service offer that is not covered by Sec Status, standings and reputation? The only thing that would be created is a massive database of subjectively collected/supplied information that does nothing but funnel information to you while providing nothing new or improved in return.

Thoughts?

Thank me later :D
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-12-23 14:30:30 UTC
Don Purple wrote:
Let it be known, I am not a crook.

I am hereby confirming that the Don is an outstandingly helpful person!
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-12-23 14:31:52 UTC
Madri wrote:
Gentlemen,

I see you have some concerns about our service. I assure you that we are a legitimate unaffiliated corporation that intend to provide New Eden with something priceless, accountability.


No.

You are asking for dirty deeds, don't care about the sources, and evidence is considered beneficial but NOT REQUIRED.

Then you contact whoever was mentioned in those eve-mails, and you intend to charge them to be able to make allegations, whether they can or cannot produce evidence to prove their point.

If I see the name of any of my characters on your stupid report, and you contact me to try and extort money from me, I'm filing a petition for harassment to CCP and see what happens.

This is a very idiotic service, for which there was no demand whatsoever. Even if it became a fully-fledged and successful business venture (which I HIGHLY doubt), everyone could simply bypass it by, you know, making ANOTHER ALT for their intended scams.

In the end, this is absolutely no sort of substitute for well stablished reputations. Whether a toon is or is not on your "reports", this means absolutely ZERO in terms of credibility or deserved trust.

So, go back to grinding lvl 4's for your Isk. Nobody is giving you any.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-12-23 14:37:13 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
Madri wrote:
Gentlemen,

I see you have some concerns about our service. I assure you that we are a legitimate unaffiliated corporation that intend to provide New Eden with something priceless, accountability.


No.

You are asking for dirty deeds, don't care about the sources, and evidence is considered beneficial but NOT REQUIRED.

Then you contact whoever was mentioned in those eve-mails, and you intend to charge them to be able to make allegations, whether they can or cannot produce evidence to prove their point.

If I see the name of any of my characters on your stupid report, and you contact me to try and extort money from me, I'm filing a petition for harassment to CCP and see what happens.

This is a very idiotic service, for which there was no demand whatsoever. Even if it became a fully-fledged and successful business venture (which I HIGHLY doubt), everyone could simply bypass it by, you know, making ANOTHER ALT for their intended scams.

In the end, this is absolutely no sort of substitute for well stablished reputations. Whether a toon is or is not on your "reports", this means absolutely ZERO in terms of credibility or deserved trust.

So, go back to grinding lvl 4's for your Isk. Nobody is giving you any.


Lol...

Dude, you cant petition this stuff. Well, I mean, you can.. but nothing is going to happen of it. They will call it emergent gameplay.

Yeah, its a dumb idea. I dont think anyone has much to worry about. This doesnt make any sense, so it will be gone before it starts.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Madri
Siren's Sqaull
#36 - 2013-12-23 15:13:26 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
What does your service offer that is not covered by Sec Status, standings and reputation? The only thing that would be created is a massive database of subjectively collected/supplied information that does nothing but funnel information to you while providing nothing new or improved in return.

Thoughts?


I am really glad you asked. In eve there a uncountable small events that occur all the time between capsuleers that are noteworthy. Some of those things end up in the forums, some of those in a character bio as a snippet of conversation. But there is no central database for all those moments. I am hoping that this service will not only provide people a place they can post their stories, but that others can learn more about the people they are flying with over time.

While much of this information can be found by using google and a character name there is no "one stop shop" where you can learn what kind of interactions a character attracts, or is known for in the past. This tool could be useful for corporations who are recruiting, people trying to avoid scammers, metagamers scouring for intel, pirates who want to leave lewd comments about their friends (this has been popular thus far) or just general reading about other eve characters.


If nothing else this tool will (eventually) show people what kind of past interactions that shiny character for sale in the bazaar has had in the past.


As far as access to the database goes, right now I am asking for a modest fee for viewing a character file or adding a reply to comments left in your own file by another capsuleer. This is to prevent spam replies and requests until I can get the whole process automated and on a website. Eventually I hope we can find a revenue model that allows us to provide access to all this compiled information free of charge.

I have high hopes that it will end up a useful tool for the community, and we are open to suggestions on how to improve the service. But I would really implore you to try it out for yourself before rushing to judgement.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#37 - 2013-12-24 16:25:49 UTC
Madri wrote:
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
What does your service offer that is not covered by Sec Status, standings and reputation? The only thing that would be created is a massive database of subjectively collected/supplied information that does nothing but funnel information to you while providing nothing new or improved in return.

Thoughts?


I am really glad you asked. In eve there a uncountable small events that occur all the time between capsuleers that are noteworthy. Some of those things end up in the forums, some of those in a character bio as a snippet of conversation. But there is no central database for all those moments. I am hoping that this service will not only provide people a place they can post their stories, but that others can learn more about the people they are flying with over time.

While much of this information can be found by using google and a character name there is no "one stop shop" where you can learn what kind of interactions a character attracts, or is known for in the past. This tool could be useful for corporations who are recruiting, people trying to avoid scammers, metagamers scouring for intel, pirates who want to leave lewd comments about their friends (this has been popular thus far) or just general reading about other eve characters.


If nothing else this tool will (eventually) show people what kind of past interactions that shiny character for sale in the bazaar has had in the past.


As far as access to the database goes, right now I am asking for a modest fee for viewing a character file or adding a reply to comments left in your own file by another capsuleer. This is to prevent spam replies and requests until I can get the whole process automated and on a website. Eventually I hope we can find a revenue model that allows us to provide access to all this compiled information free of charge.

I have high hopes that it will end up a useful tool for the community, and we are open to suggestions on how to improve the service. But I would really implore you to try it out for yourself before rushing to judgement.


How could you possibly capture all of that data and still play Eve? I look forward to seeing where this goes and will reserve judgement until ... later. Although, as is, this makes zero sense to me from the perspective of OpSec. Perchance do you work for the NSA? Don't taze me bro.

Thank me later :D
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-12-24 16:36:23 UTC
It makes no sense at all from any perspective. In order to be a creditor, you would yourself need credibility. Nobody knows who you are, nobody cares what you say, and that means that the service is fail.

Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
Madri
Siren's Sqaull
#39 - 2013-12-24 18:32:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Madri
Leto Thule wrote:
It makes no sense at all from any perspective. In order to be a creditor, you would yourself need credibility. Nobody knows who you are, nobody cares what you say, and that means that the service is fail.


Actually Leto, there was a time that I was well known in New Eden for providing a quality product that was useful to all pilots. I worked with credible organizations that existed at the time and had a reputation. That time has since passed into history and most of those corporations including my own no longer exist.

The very service that I am providing now will eventually help other capsuleers avoid similar situations. I don't mind being a nobody now, and I understand everything that entails and why, but I am totally open to peer review. You are 100% welcome to hire a trusted third party (like Chribba) to investigate our operation if that would make you feel more confident that we intend to offer the service described. There is no motive here other than to provide a fun and useful database tool for everyone to use while making a fair profit for the work involved.


Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:

How could you possibly capture all of that data and still play Eve? I look forward to seeing where this goes and will reserve judgement until ... later. Although, as is, this makes zero sense to me from the perspective of OpSec. Perchance do you work for the NSA? Don't taze me bro.



The easy answer is that once this takes off it will mostly be automated, but I will still be very busy in game supporting the service. I will be playing EVE the best way I can, my way.

As far as opsec goes it may not make alot of sense now, but once we have a robust database you will be able to learn quite a bit that may not be obvious at first about someone. In New Eden the smallest encounter can ripple into a full blown war. We often remember the biggest scams and the biggest battles, but we forget about the smaller events that shaped the cirumstances that lead to those larger events.

It is my hope that the information collected in this database will capture some of those details and that the community as a whole will find use of the information in the coming years.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#40 - 2013-12-25 10:31:18 UTC
Reporting Erotica 1 as a legitimate businessperson.

On several occasions we have had business dealings in the low ten figures, such as me giving Ero 2 billion ISK in order to get Ero to order market speculation items from Jita and have them shipped to me. Markups are small and fair and I have no hesitation sending Ero the ISK first.

In addition, Ero's other services - ISK doubling - have worked for me on the two occasions I have used them. I followed the rules precisely and was repaid as per Ero's schedule of payouts.

Disclaimer: I do get a 10% cut whenever I refer someone to Ero that I correctly suspect will fail the ISK doubling game; usually I refer any drunk person I play with, they always screw it up.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
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