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Next Ships to be rebalanced?
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crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
#1 - 2013-12-19 13:59:11 UTC
So with rubicon 1.1 approaching and no threads in features about the next set of ships to be rebalanced, are we not getting any updated ships or are the details yet to be released?
Stargate Perimeter
Mistelteinn
#2 - 2013-12-19 16:23:29 UTC
I believe they're redesigning (*cough* nerfing *cough*) T3s next Pirate
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-19 16:24:47 UTC
T3's and/or pirate battleships are what is slated next iirc.

Could be one, and then the other.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#4 - 2013-12-19 16:25:20 UTC
They will be releasing Corvettes next I hear

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-12-19 16:25:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
The things that haven't been done that seem to need it are:

T3's
Pirate ships, would be all at once, a big job
Recon ships
t2 industrials
revamp the freighter class
Logi and hictors don't seem to need it urgently.

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Good Posting
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-12-19 16:35:50 UTC
T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything.
Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-19 16:41:24 UTC
Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101
crazy0146
The Federation of assorted candy
#8 - 2013-12-19 16:49:30 UTC
Theres also:

Black Ops
Jump Freighters
Cap Ships
Succubus/Phantasm
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#9 - 2013-12-19 16:54:31 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?


If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-12-19 16:57:37 UTC
Pirate cruisers and frigates are in desperate need of work. Too many of them are just too underperforming. Except for Angel Cartel ships.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-19 16:58:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?


If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle



I wasn't asking if I could do it in an assault cruiser, I was asking if people theorize that the battleship or the t3 would be better after the nerf

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-12-19 16:59:32 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?

The T3 rebalance is going to be unpredictable. The class is just so complex, there are so many different approaches CCP might take to bring them in line. But they will most likely still be good for PVE.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2013-12-19 17:06:17 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything.

Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples:

  • Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.
  • Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature..
  • Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is.

There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order.

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Good Posting
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-12-19 17:13:15 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything.

Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples:

  • Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.
  • Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature..
  • Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is.

There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order.


Do you remember your threads after the Drake nerf? I do. So, now you like when CCP nerf ships or only the ships you don't fly.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-12-19 17:23:34 UTC
When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#16 - 2013-12-19 17:25:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Good Posting wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
T3s why? I think they are fine. Buff the Legion, if anything.

Because they are better at some specialized roles than T2 cruisers are, which are supposed to be better in the narrow thing they spec in. That's the direction CCP want to take T3s in, anyway. Some examples:

  • Loki is better at sniping than Muninn is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature.
  • Proteus is a better brawler than Deimos is, while having a bunch of other benefits because of T3's "versatile" nature..
  • Tengu is a better missile-kiter than Cerberus is.

There are others as well, but that's a start. HACs are unlikely to change, so it will be the T3s to fall in line with the new order.


Do you remember your threads after the Drake nerf? I do. So, now you like when CCP nerf ships or only the ships you don't fly.

I remember writing those threads sarcastically and people believing I was actually upset because I apparently failed at being over-the-top enough for the sarcasm to be obvious. Lol In fact, people got so mad at my Drake whining that I had to make a blog post to be able to refer people to whenever they brought it up. So, here you go.

I have actually since started flying Drakes now and then, but it's mostly because I'm a space hipster and everyone thinks Drakes suck now, so I get fights. Drakes do not, in fact, suck. Especially HAM Drakes.

Ed: and so far as CCP nerfing ships, I like it when CCP make it unclear what is the "best ship" for doing anything. I'm tired of the way T3s render HACs/recons obsolete, so yeah, I'd like to see T3s rebalanced. I do not fly them now, same as I don't use off-grid boosts and as I didn't used to use Drakes: I do not want to be part of the cancer killing Eve. I will likely start flying them once CCP rebalances them to have a wider variety in useful roles (*cough* Legion) and to not be clear kings of the hill in any super-specialized role.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-19 17:26:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance.


INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!"
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#18 - 2013-12-19 17:28:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Slightly off topic but not really, with the upcoming T3 nerf, would it be better to train for battleships then for mission running? Or can One still expect Tengus to be viable for lv4 missions?


If you cant do it in an assault cruiser, you are nothing but a fizzle



I wasn't asking if I could do it in an assault cruiser, I was asking if people theorize that the battleship or the t3 would be better after the nerf


I wasnt saying you were, I was saying you (as in non-specific everyone "you") are a fizzle if you cant

Self-absorbed much

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#19 - 2013-12-19 17:31:43 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
When a cruiser sized ship can get over 1000 dps at 25 km with a battleship sized tank, somethings a little off balance.


INB4 "But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!!!!"

But it cost a lot and you lose SP when it dies!! Sad CCP already super-nerfed them because you can't eject with weapon timer anymore. SO UNFAIR, EVE IS DYING!

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#20 - 2013-12-19 17:32:32 UTC
next on the balance list?

i know that caps and tech III are lower on the list... so that will wait a while (maybe winter 2014)

so that leaves us with pirate faction ships and the rest of tech II.
i would suggest Transport ships covert ops and recons would be next. also a balancing pass on tech II mining ships.

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