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How the **** do i make any ******* money.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#21 - 2013-12-19 10:38:40 UTC
that's my point, if you "grind for hours" and still are space poor you're doing something very wrong, and if after all this time you haven't figured out how to do it right or put in some basic effort to think about wtf you're doing (wrong) then yeah, you're too dumb for this game. Grinding for isk is something even the most ******** moron can do, that's why so many people do it. You can't even get THAT done.
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#22 - 2013-12-19 10:39:40 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.



I think the issue with EVE is that pretty much 99% of the ways to earn isk are just plain soul destroying but tbh if you;ve only ever made 100mil then you are doing something wrong. Christ just doing forsaken hubs in 0.0 you can make 90-100mil an hour solo and that doesn't even include escalations.

Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)
Join a 0.0 corp do your service and rat in the anoms and make even more.
Run one of the pirate faction epic arcs I think at the end of the Guristas one it gives you a ship bpc worth 175 mil or something.

Market trade I did a simple experiment and started with 25mil in Jita and at the end of the month I had 2 bill just buying low selling high on pokey items and even this I wasn't even trying to hard. Look in contracts sometimes you can snag a bargain. I think I bought a shirt for 200mill of a contract and a year later it's worth 1.2bil earning value just sitting in my hangar.

As I said plenty of way to make isk but unfortunately most of them are as pleasant as pulling your fingernails out.


fixed mission prices for you

but as someone esle said he is not worth the effort to respond
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters
Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
#23 - 2013-12-19 10:43:31 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Rin Valador wrote:
If you cant find something you enjoy and make money from it i don't like your chances of sticking around.


Well that's the ******* thing, I've spent more time grinding for rep then i have making money, i lost most of the sec status I've ever made in 5 minutes, i usually just come back once a year to see how the latest expansion is going and what all the current drama is.

Considering the average amount of my wallet is usually less than 20m ISK and i still don't have high enough reputation with any agent after days of grinding i don't really know why the **** I'm actually sticking around.


Whine whine, you don't actually play, stay away for a year and somehow magically expect isk to fall into your lap.

Perhaps you should just realise you're simply not smart enough and stick to WOW or Hello kitty online.


No, I grind for hours and hour, days and days, check my ****, oh look, ******* nothing, burn the **** out and give up, come back six months later and give it another try, you're just not getting it they said, it's fun once you get on your feet and figure out what your doing and I come crawling the **** back.

Maye I should just go back to WoW, I hear there are pandas and its becoming more like the vanilla, at least in WoW, I don't spend all ******* week grinding for a 0.01 rep increase


no you ******* log in every day and do the same **** over and over ... for 0.01 rep increase ...
but WOW will reward you for grinding that is for sure ...
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-12-19 10:46:52 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Troll Bridgington wrote:
Open up a brothel in Jita.


Maybe if CCP releases WiS one day, and lets me put up a PoS in JIta, it would be the best damn whorehouse in all of The Forge.

Jill Chastot wrote:
What do you enjoy doing?
Find that and then learn to excel in it.

I personally went into a c2 WH and farmed sleepers.


I'm sort of limited to what i can do that i enjoy, running decent missions or joining the faction for FW i want is stuck behind large money and rep walls that would take months of grinding for me to overcome

March rabbit wrote:
if i remember correctly i've got 5 million ISK when i joined my first player-owned corporation. Then they took me into lvl4 to show what is it (that was really amazing) and allowed to keep all loot from that site to myself. It was fortune: i've got like 20 million ISK!

Then i continued to run missions and .... Now i'm here with billions of ISK in wallet.

However i didn't participate in PvP for like 1st year of playing. Maybe this is the reason i made good starting capital to go to 0.0 and make billions? Lol


Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


You see, you shouldnt be making reasons why you cant do something.
If you want to i can try set you up with some friends in a c6 wormhole, it will be hella hard work, but they'll give you everything you need to learn the game and help you build your skills in game and out.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."

Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-12-19 10:59:29 UTC
What are you wasting the money for you already got? You can't be that daft. Just buy a PLEX and sell it. Grinding for ISK is pointless.
Debra Tao
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-12-19 11:00:42 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.



Chill, https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/

you are welcome, Debra.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2013-12-19 11:01:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.



10 days? It took me far more than 10 days to reach 100 M Isk. Nowadays thigns are easy. And you should nto be flying ANYTHING larger than a t1 cruiser with that age. So 15 mil would have been enough for you.

You need far far more patience for this game.

You will eventually be able to do upwards fo 60 million isk per hour. But only after you are over 7-8 months old.

But you have an older character and those 10 days are just in this attempt of playing. THen sorry but you are the most inneficient and horrible player this game ever saw.


No you will NOT have fun making money unless you make money by killing other players and stealing their loot (that is a part of my income source nowadays). All other income sources are boring.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Mortis Betruger
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-19 11:06:22 UTC
buy a frackin plex
Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#29 - 2013-12-19 11:11:35 UTC
Delete your account.

The Coreli Corporation is recruiting.

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-12-19 11:12:42 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.


The trick to having lots of money in EVE isn't just making lots, it's not spending lots. If you're only ten days in, you haven't had enough time to make a lot to spend in any case.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-12-19 11:32:35 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
fixed mission prices for you

but as someone esle said he is not worth the effort to respond

Your fix only makes sense if you fly some failboat, use wrong agent, don't count in LPs (or cash them in wrong) and loot, or do several things from that list at once.
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-12-19 11:34:28 UTC
I started this game just at the end of September with this character, i had this grand idea about exploring the eve universe and flying some huge ships into combat, exploring was the first thing that got dropped because well i sat there for about 2 hours looking at the probes crying "why u no do anything" thats when i realized i was to stoopid to understand it all or basically just needed a hell of alot longer than some to understand it, so i went ach bugger it, had a venture from one of the other tutorials so i planted my rear in it an flew to nearest asteroid belt an sat there an mined.

I mined that same spot for hours each day, i got bumped i got harassed ppl tried to scam me etc but i ignored it an continued on my way, 2nd day i had over 10 million, end of the week i had over 100 million, then i realized allow mining wasnt as bad as made out i wouldnt be able to do it constantly at the rate i was or i would just go blaaaaaaaah an leave, so i gave myself a 21 day trial an this pilot i made go combat, on him i ground missions for caldari navy, but tbh lvl 1 an 2 dont pay much an loots terrible so this account was basically keeping both going in ships and upgrades.

Long story short 2 month later im in a barge going for exhumer now, he flys a Hurricane, my other pilot flys a drake and my other pilot just yesterday sat in his newly bought Raven, every ship, every upgrade all them pilots got was bought and funded of this one account and all this one account has done is sit and mine scordite and pyrox.

Goals change, the guy sitting in the hurricane sits mostly in a miasmos all day hauling my ore, the raven pilot got the standing to do l4's but not the skills to fly the raven right so he still sits in the drake and with the other pilot does level 3's with me taking a break from mining and flying a noctis behind them salvaging/looting

If i never decided to get them other accounts i would 2 month later just by mining hi sec ore have pocket change in my wallet of excess of a billion isk, dont get me wrong i think im suffering from roid sickness or something but well i dont know how many times ive been told im doing it wrong, im gimping myself etc etc but well i've been in the game 2 month now an still cannae work out them damn probes so im no the brightest bulb.

Just pick something man an stick to it, im a slacker but doing level 3 combat missions an just salvaging/looting the wrecks can/could net me 50 mill isk a day if i didnt slack so much an sit have a laugh with corp m8's or mine like i did but in all honesty for that to work an the hours i put into that the biggest benefit to me while doing it was my corp an the ppl in it because they was active in the chat.

So aye, pick something stick with it get the relevant skill set up to make that something gooo faster an you will see the isk return get bigger
Jered Hakaaros
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-12-19 11:36:47 UTC
I grinded missions in the beginning too, and thought the ISK results were pretty poor. Until I realised a good portion of profit came from trading in the Loyality points, which I had veeery plenty of by then. So OP, make sure to check and invest your LP right. Mission blitzing also improves your ISK ratio.
Amhra Rho
Accujac Elimination
#34 - 2013-12-19 11:51:44 UTC
Hook up with other players. It'll multiply your isk and your fun.

There's real reasons why your Eve character doesn't do /dance.

Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-12-19 12:05:22 UTC
Mission grinding is, together with mining, the most boring way to make your ISK + the reason most beginners leave the game again. Just because this is an MMO, dont try to make your money here with the usual MMO grinding. Be clever, play the market, go out where its dangerous but more rewarding and be clever enough not to die in expensive ships.

Unless you like grinding for whatever reason. I cant understand how such a thing is possible, but there are such people out there.

The Butcher of Black Rise - eve-radio.com

JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#36 - 2013-12-19 12:42:29 UTC
I've been playing since 2006, with a 18 month break that ended around december 2012.

Until I took the break, I had lived in 0.0, wormholes, lowsec and highsec, and my wallet was always empty. I lived from ship to ship. When one exploded, I would hopefully have enough isk to buy another one. I paid no attention to actually making an income. I somehow managed to scrape a carrier together over 5 years of playing with spare isk, but never managed to fully fit it (I was in small corps with no need for a carrier other than as a cyno hauler). It all got a bit boring and i left the game.

When I came back to eve a year ago, I decided to organize myself a bit more. I joined a small corp that was growing quickly and because I was the only one with access to level 4 missions, I took people out on them. I was a ***** hauler on mining ops. I put together a set of ships that would be used to make money and nothing else. Then I took groups to run the epic arc missions and fitted my carrier properly.

After a few months, the corp joined an alliance and we moved to the drone regions. Since I now had ships set aside for ratting and probing, I could run anoms in the carrier, probe sites etc, and use a seperate stock for pvp. By the time June rolled around I was training an alt for a supercapital with real prospects of affording one by the time the alt was ready. And I always spent my isk on ships and modules or BPOs that would either make me money, or would act as equity so that I wouldn't waste isk on crap (I had developed a habit of buying faction frigates and pimping them out).

Well PL steamrolled through the drone regions but I managed to evacuate my stuff out, and now I am not in an alliance so still no need for a super. But because I have set aside specific ships for specific money making purposes, I am able to make money very quickly these days. Isk I make is invested back into my isk making ships, or set aside, and more recently building up a much bigger pvp ship hangar full of stuff I will happily whelp.

So in short, I came back to the game with less than 100 mil and a half fitted carrier. 12 months later of just being organised (not grinding for isk constantly) I have 1 bil in liquid isk, 600+mil in my sell orders, 12-14 bil in ships and another 3-4 bil in modules. I've never mined or done PI, or any margin trading market pvp. And I don't play for 8 hours a day or anything like that.

It's not about HOW you make isk, it's about what you do with it once you have it.

And if you want to pvp in FW, you can fit your ships for less than a million isk until you know what you are doing. Really cheap destroyers are incredibly effective, as most people who pvp are completely useless at it.

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

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Agent Luther Sloan
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-12-19 12:50:49 UTC
Tyrton wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)


fixed mission prices for you



If you're only making 15-30 mil an hour running lvl 4's you are doing them wrong. Adding isk rewards + bounties + LP I make at least 50 mil/hour, up to 75 or so if I get two really good ones in a row.

OP, hit me up in-game some time - I have standings to get decent lvl 4s from a couple corps and I'm always willing to help out someone new to missions.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#38 - 2013-12-19 12:56:36 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
I'm sort of limited to what i can do that i enjoy, running decent missions or joining the faction for FW i want is stuck behind large money and rep walls that would take months of grinding for me to overcome

How about this roadmap:

Start a brand new character in one of your other character slots. play through all of the tutorials, the career agents included, to get a bunch of (actually useful) stuff while training up the skills this new character needs to fly a frigate in FW (Frigate skill, Prop jamming, guns...etc). Take your frigate of choice and sell everything you decide you don't need from the tutorials - don't worry about the prices you'll get, just liquidate the stuff for ISK. Go to Arnon and run the SoE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars" most of which you can do in your frigate, get some help if you need to (this is where doing it on a new character is valuable) and pump the huge faction standing boost that gives you into your faction of choice for FW.
Buy a bunch more frigates and fittings, move them or get them moved for you and join FW.
You can probably reach this point within a couple of days if you really grind for it - a week or so at a more sedate pace where you can actually learn from the experience. Any time you have left on a reactivation, a trial or PLEX can then be spent pillaging the FW system for LPs and making bank.
Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#39 - 2013-12-19 13:11:58 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Maye I should just go back to WoW, I hear there are pandas and its becoming more like the vanilla, at least in WoW, I don't spend all ******* week grinding for a 0.01 rep increase


\o/

I was about to suggest that.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2013-12-19 13:34:35 UTC
Agent Luther Sloan wrote:
Tyrton wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)


fixed mission prices for you



If you're only making 15-30 mil an hour running lvl 4's you are doing them wrong. Adding isk rewards + bounties + LP I make at least 50 mil/hour, up to 75 or so if I get two really good ones in a row.

OP, hit me up in-game some time - I have standings to get decent lvl 4s from a couple corps and I'm always willing to help out someone new to missions.



+1

Also what a lot of newer missioners do not realise is:
- LP gets higher the lower the security of the agents system
- training security connections to V makes a huge difference
- not all corps are equal in terms of ISK?LP ratio

Thesweet spot at the moment is 0.5 SOE security agents if you have Security Connections at V. You will regularly get 10,000 LP per mission with a 3:1 ISK ratio, meaning you pull in 30 mill on a good mission just from the LP. Just do not fly anything shiney or you will get ganked.