Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Except a Defender missile can't, most ships can't fit them anyway, and smart bombs are highly situational as to if they can even be used without screwing yourself over. And certainly can't be used in nearly every case to protect someone else.

To those saying the current state of missiles would need these to be basically viable, I agree, but lets fix the base state of missiles so they are viable without these against same size targets without prop mods, and still do some damage against same size targets with prop mods.

Then you can have these as well, and a missile disruptor to balance. (At which point just applying TE/TC/TD's to missiles becomes simpler than three entirely new modules and brings missiles more in line with EWar vulnerability).

But trying to use these to crutch missiles back to a usable state is not the right way to go.

Defender missiles should be replaced with a Chaff module that performs and improves on the functionality and is useable by every ship type. Fueled possibly by a PI produced consumable that is very low in volume but has a lengthy reload.

And you think a youtube video conclusively proves an AC Rupture can't hit an Exequror while using a web...

Why would we be assuming no tank? Assuming no tank and given enough time a lone frigate can kill anything. I take a dread hull no tank and while painful and slow...it will kill it.


One day friend knowing I was doing a minny x-train showed me my fun future. Me in cruise raven, him in one of his loved jaguar fits.


I was doing good...till he popped my warrior II's. then it was an experiment of lets see how long till he gets to hull as I stopped firing at some point as I knew I was jsut wasting ammo and since a friendly fight he would stop at hull. I had already sacrificed several warrior II's...why waste even more isk.

The jaguar fit as it reletated to this: 1 SSB II, 1 Kinetic rig (ergo I knew not to shoot this or its naturally high em resist....so I was down to 2 ammo selections), 1 CDFE rig, 1mn AB, 1 nos, 1 web 1 scram. Scrammed me, webbed the warrior II's (pop pop pop as he killed them first ). As he, rightly so, had nothing to fear from CM damage. Speed and sig tank was doing its job to reduce damage. And yes I was painting him. Whatever damage taken was tanked with ease.

Jaguar has a low sig profile to start. TP works on boosts based on base sig. If sig radius is small, boost is small. Jaguar's profile so small even with 2 shield rigs, his sig profile did not light up like a x-mas tree. I did not ask if he bothered to train rig skill to 5 so I would assume he was at 4 to cut down on drawbacks. Even I trained all rigs to 4 if I have no intention to run t2 rigs ever.

MAx skills ssb II reps about 35 in 2 second cycles. CL II with CN ammo is about 688 with 3 BCU's (what I was running) at all 5's. I was at 4 mostly so since I cba to adjsut all this in eft will drop this 600. 600 dropped to 35-45 applicable damage is still a massive cut.

Due to many factors was cut down to damage levels easily repped by t2 gear (not even shiny gear). I know from actually flying missiles "always" hit is not always the greatness some make it out to be. Here we get a very academic argument really.

Would i be missing him with guns? yes. I was hitting him with missiles for damage easily repped. 10/20/etc salvos that had an SSB II tank cover it basically equals 0 damage. I go off realworld performance here. 10,20,30 volleys later....how red are the targets tank levels? In this case his jags shield tank was maybe a short hair of red between cycles. The definition of effective....this ain't it to me.

This is why missile users discount the greatness of always hit. If you always hit but the damage is so small its repped readily we may as well miss. See with gun misses you at least go this makes sense. I missed, no damage. Me in this raven (after warriors popped) was going I keep on htting but I am not getting anywhere.

LR missiles if jumped sr will die just as readily the tl;dr. I remember days of prenerf dramiels when they blotted out the sun and shooting them with HML drake. The above happens as well if they ran dual prop and used mwd to dictate range but then engaged with AB the rest of the time. Which many did.

i think the reason it keeps popping up is: because missiles gradually lose damage as a target gets smaller and faster, and because turrets almost completely drop off after a certain point, there might be a point where turrets have dropped off, but missiles are still making reduced, but still decent hits.

the perfect example for turret users would probably be a frig vs cruisers. the turrets (like AC's) will probably drop off to almost no dps before HAM damage is reduced to a negligibly small amount.

some missiles users might call it a negligible difference, but when some ppl are arguing that freak wrecking/missing shots (which convey absolutely no advantage or disadvantage) hits are a pro for turrets, then of course it will be countered by saying that the small advantage missiles get by always hitting is a pro.

I never said that medium turrets hit orbiting targets at point blank range well. But seriously, the Rupture pilot is bad if they continue to orbit at that kind of range rather than attempting to create space for their guns. Simply pulling away from the Exequror will allow the Rupture to deliver more of its damage and create a battle of armor tanks rather a battle of speed tanks, as the Exequror will be forced to pursue. An Exequror is not so much faster than a Rupture that it can maintain a clean orbit around it unless the Rupture obliges, and if it tries to follow the Rupture it is going to get into a DPS race it can not win. Also what ammo type are you using?