Player Features and Ideas Discussion

actually ive been trying to say from the start that both weapon types have their advantages. play with the one that suits u best at whatever situation u find urself in. u tell me to stop ignoring reality, but its u that is focusing too much.

when u argue that HML's are never used now and therefore should be buffed, does that mean we should be buffing medium beams as well?

I'd say a lot of lasers need work, but I don't use them so I won't pretend exactly what needs to be done. They certainly seem to have issues in PVP compared to their projectile and hybrid counterparts.

with T1 and faction crystals they do, and of course if u can actually manage to fit them on ur ship lol.

You are soo wrong. If you fly an cheap AB frigate, without any tank you can easily hold an turret based battleship (BS) for ages at close orbit without being hit at all by the turrent (assuming the BS has not a web and no web bonus make the web 90% strong).

Against a missile ship it might take some time until cruise missiles will tear your untanked frigate down, but they will relieably do it in one or two minutes.

And no, these are not hypothetical cases... you will find some kills on killboards where turret-based BS have been killed by a lone frigate pilot.

Whenever this argument is used for why long range missiles are good I just have to roll my eyes. The fact is that a cruise BS may be able to eventually kill an AB frig at tackle range assuming that frig isn't properly tanked, but 90% of the time it won't really matter as that frig will have friends that will come in to kill the BS before that happens anyway. Meanwhile long range turrets do what they are designed to much better, which is apply damage at long range.

The argument that you are making is on par with a person saying an AWD sports car with a max speed of 150 MPH is as good as a RWD sports car with a max speed of 200 MPH because it handles better in the rain. Why on earth are you driving a sports car in the rain?

erm no...
a web and TP will not magically give u critical hits. if this target is the same size as u u'll do good dps, just like with missiles. however if its a smaller ship u may still not make any hits, let alone good ones, even with a web and TP. I refer back to the video i linked in an earlier post where an AC rupture struggles to hit the exeq (another cruiser) despite webbing it down. the rupture does not get magical crushing blows or even a half decent hit in the fight save from its drones.

This idea that turrets get the odd decent hit despite a ships speed and sig is simply a lie. freak good hits CAN happen, however it is far rarer then many of u are trying to make out. so rare in fact that it makes a negligible difference to a fight, and is also in itself undone by the exact same likelihood of getting a freak weak hit or out right miss.



ill get a condor, u get an apoc (the highest tracking BS in the game) with a web and TP and we'll spend 12 hours of me flying in and out and tackling u. u will never one shot me unless im pretty much flying straight at u, but we know exactly why turrets are good at this, and its a moot point.

watch video

solo exeq PvP

This won't happen because CCP is allergic to missiles and Caldari capital drea*cough*ships and doesn't want to hurt their brain muscles too badly thinking about it.

I understand the people asking for a ballistic disruptor in exchange but come on ! On most missiles systems, this module would be the bare minimum to make missiles competitive. Without counting the low slots that it would take, furthermore reducing the fitting of missile boats that are known for not being tanky at all. (Except maybe for the Drake, and its nothing compared to, say, a Prophecy).

Its called a defender missile.
And can completely stop the attack.

Also smartbombs