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[ISHTI] Declaration of War

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#121 - 2013-12-23 17:29:38 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

The IGS has so few cases of IGS regulars actually shooting at each other these years that this has perhaps drawn more attention than warranted.


As someone in the militias, I've never really seen that.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#122 - 2013-12-23 17:49:10 UTC
PIE are very clearly able to handle themselves and definately do not need the likes of me helping them but I'll tell the Stormcrows this. Shoot at the few guys from PIE that fly with me and I'll melt down your ships, with you in it and use it as the metal for my next station decoration.

Please feel free to test me on this.

Arguably it doesn't matter who fires at my fleet mates, they'd get the same response but outspoken rhetoric is all the rage these days right?


Anslo
Scope Works
#123 - 2013-12-23 18:09:31 UTC
Hi Christine! They (crows) seem active between 20:00 and 23:00. So far it seems limited to Amarr though with a few losec stints.

How's Auga since you all took it back?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#124 - 2013-12-23 19:31:24 UTC
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
PIE are very clearly able to handle themselves and definately do not need the likes of me helping them but I'll tell the Stormcrows this. Shoot at the few guys from PIE that fly with me and I'll melt down your ships, with you in it and use it as the metal for my next station decoration.

Please feel free to test me on this.

Arguably it doesn't matter who fires at my fleet mates, they'd get the same response but outspoken rhetoric is all the rage these days right?


I'm certain the Crows will treat anyone fleeted, or part of the Amarr Militia, as hostile, in any case.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#125 - 2013-12-23 19:54:42 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
PIE are very clearly able to handle themselves and definately do not need the likes of me helping them but I'll tell the Stormcrows this. Shoot at the few guys from PIE that fly with me and I'll melt down your ships, with you in it and use it as the metal for my next station decoration.

Please feel free to test me on this.

Arguably it doesn't matter who fires at my fleet mates, they'd get the same response but outspoken rhetoric is all the rage these days right?


I'm certain the Crows will treat anyone fleeted, or part of the Amarr Militia, as hostile, in any case.


The Crows are not enemies of the Amarr Militia. They were hired against PIE, not the 24th Imperial Crusade.

Katrina Oniseki

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#126 - 2013-12-23 20:29:21 UTC
While we are not going to waste our time responding to the nonsense PIE spreads here like a prostitute does herpes, we would like to clarify that our positions towards the treasonous “Theology Council” stand. The current substance of the Empire is one of rottenness, decay, usurpation, corruption and heresy. While this might serve as a matter of fruitful discussions, the schismatic Praetorians have insulted the Kingdom and us repeatedly and discountenanced every serious arbitration attempt, so that there is no difference anymore between the schismatics of PIE and the “Tribal Liberation Force.”

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#127 - 2013-12-23 20:41:41 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
so that there is no difference anymore between the schismatics of PIE and the “Tribal Liberation Force.”


That's ... not at all rational.

You can end the war at any time. We simply don't care enough to accommodate you in any way.

I met with you, and agreed to consider a proposal -- we rejected it in the end. In spite you asking for surprisingly little.

Equating us to TLF, because we won't give you personally any concessions is... well par for the course with you I suppose. I don't even need to say what I think of this. I'll let others draw their own conclusions, as what is wrong here is painfully obvious.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."

Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#128 - 2013-12-23 20:54:10 UTC
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
You can end the war at any time. We simply don't care enough to accommodate you in any way.

You too can end this. And you know what to do. We will open fire on your pilots as long as they are not fighting a common enemy. Business as usual and nothing more to talk about. Maybe our only mistake was to care for your opinion. This has been adjusted.

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#129 - 2013-12-23 20:55:51 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Christine Peeveepeeski wrote:
PIE are very clearly able to handle themselves and definately do not need the likes of me helping them but I'll tell the Stormcrows this. Shoot at the few guys from PIE that fly with me and I'll melt down your ships, with you in it and use it as the metal for my next station decoration.

Please feel free to test me on this.

Arguably it doesn't matter who fires at my fleet mates, they'd get the same response but outspoken rhetoric is all the rage these days right?


I'm certain the Crows will treat anyone fleeted, or part of the Amarr Militia, as hostile, in any case.


The Crows are not enemies of the Amarr Militia. They were hired against PIE, not the 24th Imperial Crusade.


They are not flagged as being part of any militia, in the warzone. Jude knows how that works and he'll be treating EVERYONE as hostile - because most of them will be.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#130 - 2013-12-23 20:56:11 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
schismatic Praetorians have insulted the Kingdom and us repeatedly


No, just you. For your attacks on the Empire.

I can personally attest that PIE has, for the entirety of my involvement, counted all Khanid as brother Amarrians. We've had an accepting policy for Imperial Loyalist and Royallist Khanid alike as we see no conflict between the two.

There are political issues between the Kingdom and Empire but those do not concern us. We do not, on the other hand, take attacks on the Empire lightly.

We are not the schismatics here. We are unionists to an extent, and support the current status quo, and any initiatives Empress and your liege care to endorse.

I suspect it's fortunate for you that your liege has not noticed your activities. I would not be surprised to see a royal document disavowing you, if he had.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."

Johanes Beaumonte
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#131 - 2013-12-23 20:58:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Johanes Beaumonte
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
You can end the war at any time. We simply don't care enough to accommodate you in any way.

You too can end this. And you know what to do. We will open fire on your pilots as long as they are not fighting a common enemy. Business as usual and nothing more to talk about. Maybe our only mistake was to care for your opinion. This has been adjusted.

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest


Huh. Must be too confusing to this poor Ni-Kunni trying to follow along this discombulated thread but how exactly do you mean that PIE "too can end this"? The war dec isn't mutual. It's your chump change being poured down the furrier hole, not theirs.

What's the proposal that was rejected?
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#132 - 2013-12-23 21:28:15 UTC
Johanes Beaumonte wrote:
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
You can end the war at any time. We simply don't care enough to accommodate you in any way.

You too can end this. And you know what to do. We will open fire on your pilots as long as they are not fighting a common enemy. Business as usual and nothing more to talk about. Maybe our only mistake was to care for your opinion. This has been adjusted.

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest


Huh. Must be too confusing to this poor Ni-Kunni trying to follow along this discombulated thread but how exactly do you mean that PIE "too can end this"? The war dec isn't mutual. It's your chump change being poured down the furrier hole, not theirs.

What's the proposal that was rejected?


Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.





Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family

Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#133 - 2013-12-23 21:59:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Zelarrs Elkoth
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.


That and you may recall from my notes, she was as equally insistent that we announce that we would stop questioning her claims as a Holder and Duchess. Actually she initially wanted us to affirm* the claim, but quickly accepted that PIE was not an entity that had the right to affirm or deny such a thing. Since my initial comments re: alleged Duchess I've been avoiding referencing since I have still not been able to verify it, and it's largely beside the point.

Actually somewhat amusing since we had stopped arguing with her on these issues, at least as long as she kept quiet about it. All viewpoints had been quoted for posterity and any further comments on it essentially moot. As close to agree to disagree as likely to get. Her title was likewise a non-issue until the wardec. So again she was not asking for much beyond a reset to before the wardec. But concessions to people who resort to violence and treason are not in PIE's character.

PS - As a note: I would normally not disclose the terms of negotiations, but in this case the opposing party was making an issue of it.

PPS - * Odelya has vehemently objected to my characterization that she asked for her title to be affirmed. I've reviewed the transcript, and although her statement did strike me at the time as asking exactly that, and the exchange about whether or not PIE could affirm or deny the title did occur, her initial statement could just as easily be interpreted as requesting we address her with the proper titles and honorifics as she now maintains. In the interest of accuracy, I stipulate that I may have mistaken her intent.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#134 - 2013-12-23 23:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
While we are not going to waste our time responding to the nonsense PIE spreads here like a prostitute does herpes, we would like to clarify that our positions towards the treasonous “Theology Council” stand. The current substance of the Empire is one of rottenness, decay, usurpation, corruption and heresy. While this might serve as a matter of fruitful discussions, the schismatic Praetorians have insulted the Kingdom and us repeatedly and discountenanced every serious arbitration attempt, so that there is no difference anymore between the schismatics of PIE and the “Tribal Liberation Force.”

Kind regards,
Odelya Negin Intourtsetseg of House d’Hanguest



As you may recall, after considering your initial proposal (the one to myself and a third party rather than the identical one you later sent to other senior PIE officers) I suggested that arbitration wasn't necessary because all that was needed was for both sides to shut up. But apparently you were more interested in creating drama and scoring points than in actually resolving anything.

I believe that my stance was supported by the aforementioned third party.

It's a shame that you didn't take me up on that initial offer, since as you've now moved on to shooting at us there's now no way I'll stop denouncing you (at the very least) at every opportunity.

As for insulting the Kingdom, I've not knowingly done that since relations between the two nations improved around the time the interregnum started. I've happily insulted morons who claim to support the Kingdom but bring it in to disrepute by their actions, but not the Kingdom itself.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#135 - 2013-12-23 23:16:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.
so she is just throwing a tantrum now because she can't spew nonsense uncontested on a public platform?

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Rin Valador
Professional Amateurs
#136 - 2013-12-24 00:11:55 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.
so she is just throwing a tantrum now because she can't spew nonsense uncontested on a public platform?


Spot on!

"There will be neither compassion nor mercy; Nor peace, nor solace For those who bear witness to these Signs And still do not believe." - The Scriptures, Book of Reclaiming 25:10

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#137 - 2013-12-24 00:38:35 UTC
Rin Valador wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.
so she is just throwing a tantrum now because she can't spew nonsense uncontested on a public platform?


Spot on!

Sounds like an excessive waste of corporate assets..... I wish I could afford to wardec other corporations at a whim.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#138 - 2013-12-24 00:42:19 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Rin Valador wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:


Basically that we agree to disagree regarding Odelya's slanderous insults to the Empress, Theology Council, and Empire.

This was rejected for two reasons:

First, PIE will *never* agree to disagree on the topics at hand. Slander against the Empress and Empire must be met with resistance.

Second, PIE will never reward a slanderous fool for attempting to use violence to legitimize slander against the Empire.
so she is just throwing a tantrum now because she can't spew nonsense uncontested on a public platform?


Spot on!

Sounds like an excessive waste of corporate assets..... I wish I could afford to wardec other corporations at a whim.


She didn't. She hired someone else to do the war part. At least I am assuming she isn't flying into the war declaration zone and personally attacking PIE. I haven't heard anything of the sort, at least.

I think that would have been bigger news.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#139 - 2013-12-24 00:55:59 UTC
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Sounds like an excessive waste of corporate assets..... I wish I could afford to wardec other corporations at a whim.


She didn't. She hired someone else to do the war part. At least I am assuming she isn't flying into the war declaration zone and personally attacking PIE. I haven't heard anything of the sort, at least.

I think that would have been bigger news.

Still, it would be nice to be able to afford to do that. Just go and say " Darn PIE sitting on my windowsill again. Here's a billion, crows, go eat them for me." *sigh*

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#140 - 2013-12-24 01:22:56 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Constantin Baracca wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:

Sounds like an excessive waste of corporate assets..... I wish I could afford to wardec other corporations at a whim.


She didn't. She hired someone else to do the war part. At least I am assuming she isn't flying into the war declaration zone and personally attacking PIE. I haven't heard anything of the sort, at least.

I think that would have been bigger news.

Still, it would be nice to be able to afford to do that. Just go and say " Darn PIE sitting on my windowsill again. Here's a billion, crows, go eat them for me." *sigh*


As you can see, the manner in which the resources of any piece of territory in Amarrian space are best utilized is often left at the sole discretion of the Holder. She feels that money is best allocated to annoying PIE.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26