Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So now we've got everyone getting CONCORDed leaving Jita 4-4 because they've had to turn the magic button off to have any chance of warping today.
Or, if for some reason, you can't turn it off, you are not going to warp today.



Ah, so we're back to being able to sit a Freighter in front of the Jita station and get everyone dead, one way or another.



That's not what MWDs do. Warp and non-warp space (and velocity) are very clearly separated in EVE.

You just answered yourself. If ships destroyed each other from collision damage, youd never see supers jumping into a blob of carriers because they would destroy each other.

And if they were dumb enough to do so, the calculations to destroy the ships would be much much much less then all the targeting/tracking/firing .. and bumping that takes place right now.

All the Jita 4-4 arguments are also a huge red herring. The station is a result of so many poor game mechanics, the main two being unlimited storage space, and unlimited + instant docking ports. It needs to be fixed, not defended.

This basically.

What you say makes sense, in a roundabout way. Freighters are made to haul cargo, everything not-cargo is just a waste. I expect they'd be made "tissue paper thin" to maximize what they can haul around.

If we pull the "realistic collision" canard out, a SFI slamming into a freighter is going to end up more like a large calibre bullet slamming into a human body. Tear right through, leave a ton of damage, with minimal deformation.

Dude we wouldn't have the Goddamned fracking game to begin with. Stop already.

We don't need a ramming module. If we go with "real life" physics a frigate ramming a ship with an appropriately size AB should cause 60,000 damage. 4 frigates should be more than enough to ram a freighter to death...and on a 5 for good measure and suicide ganking (literally in this case) just became all that much more easy and cheaper. Now you'll be lucky to haul 50 million isk worth of crap in your Obelisk before being ganked.

Just stop with this nonsense.

Some things are in the game and are a bit goofy...even absurd...for a reason. That reason is game balance.

I, too, am almost completely sure that collision damage was specifically suggested a "fix" to the "problem" of collisions not causing damage to smaller ships when your DST is being bumped in lowsec.

A point was made, on another thread, that this was the proper place to bring in my idea for ramming, as a weapon or tool.
I had not noticed this thread previously, and came back to find someone had declared it to be too similar, and requested an ISD lock for it.
The ISD fellow agreed, so here is my idea relocated.

Please note, anything not specified below from previous posts in this thread, does not really apply to my idea.
As to:


1. Never read your thread before seeing this post I am quoting.
2. You don't like my idea, whether because the fitting sacrifices are too high, or because it was unintentionally in competition with your thread here.

Considering the details of point two, it seemed odd that you would compel me to relocate.
Yet, here I am, apparently

For reference to the original:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4025062#post4025062

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This item is a high slot module, that cannot be fitted unless it is the only high slot module.
(the means to insure no others are fitted, I leave to the devs creativity)
It is also costs 400 calibration points, meaning it won't work on every ship, and no rigs can be used.

This device transforms the ship into a reinforced kinetic weapon.

It deals damage equal to it's combined armor and structure, at the cost of taking damage equal to 75% of actually delivered damage, before calculating damage resistance modifiers.

The shields of both ships are neutralized over all points of contact, by a phase matching algorithm built into the module.
(It takes up every single high slot for a reason)


Example:
Skinny Bob is flying a stabber. He has 1625 each in armor and structure.
If Skinny Bob rams a target, he can deliver up to 3,250 damage.
WITH NOTHING ELSE FITTED, he would take 75% of this, or 2,438 raw kinetic damage.
Now, with his skills, the stabber has 25% kinetic resistance to it's armor.
This means that the armor is obliterated, and another 814 points of kinetic damage to it's structure.
(The stabber has no inherent damage resistance on structure, leaving the ship with 811 points of structure left, just under half)

It would probably be a good idea for Skinny Bob to invest in a damage control, as well as enhance the armor against kinetic damage.

Important Detail:
This ramming damage is all or nothing, as the spacecraft in EVE have built in hardware which averts collisions normally.
In order to override this, the point of the prow must make contact with a location on the target within the central 50% of it's profile, as determined by relative mass.
(Translated, it must be a solid hit, misses or glancing blows have no effect at all)

I understand that this can be tweaked on paper to appear quite powerful, but keep in mind that faster ships tend to be smaller than the vessels being compared to them, in many cases.
It is doubtful that we will see common occurrences of a BS plowing through a group of frigates, unless they had chosen to ram it first.

It has two potential uses.

It could be fitted defensively on a DST, or industrial. With proper escort, and fitting options, making them effective juggernauts impossible to bump out of alignment.
(Destroy? yes, quite possibly, but they were already going to die if they got bumped out of aligning)
But adding armor to augment this is done at the expense of cargo space... trade offs.
Now, using these in high sec this way, a whole other set of considerations.
You would want to make sure they had established hostilities first. If you were worth ganking, as either a war target or high value payday, you should have had support or a countermeasure already in place. This won't replace that.

It can be used offensively as well, obviously.
Working best on ships with a high armor tank, it can be used to suicide gank effectively, as the expectation of Concordokken means inevitable ship loss regardless.
Outside of high sec, it leaves a ship vulnerable to being webbed, and danced around as opponents pound it into wreckage. You can't hurt them if you can't ram them.
But, it is by necessity the ship's ONLY direct weapon system when fitted, possibly with drones as a second layer of defense.
The higher your armor tank, and corresponding damage, the slower your speed and acceleration. Too much of one will leave not enough of the other. More trade offs.

It is complicated enough to plan tactics with, but simple enough to counter with a basic web.

Old and repetitious topic, to be quite honest.


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