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CCP what's your plan for node crashing

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Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#101 - 2013-12-19 12:30:50 UTC
Stefanita Juarez wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion



It is only a problem for a small % of tbe game, high end game play but still small comparatively. Because eve is all about having a bigger stick people will always overload and nodes will crash. Fixing it is probably cost prohibitive. How many people that can fly capitals pay rl $ for your game time? So those people play essentially for free. If most don't use plex i would be amazed. Plex was a bad business decision imho. More cash means more hardware, programers, etc, which results in a better game. But your side can help by not counter dropping more caps. Just die with honor knowing you saved the node. Yeah.


2,000 accounts affected is a bid deal
Lady Areola Fappington
#102 - 2013-12-19 13:25:20 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
Stefanita Juarez wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion



It is only a problem for a small % of tbe game, high end game play but still small comparatively. Because eve is all about having a bigger stick people will always overload and nodes will crash. Fixing it is probably cost prohibitive. How many people that can fly capitals pay rl $ for your game time? So those people play essentially for free. If most don't use plex i would be amazed. Plex was a bad business decision imho. More cash means more hardware, programers, etc, which results in a better game. But your side can help by not counter dropping more caps. Just die with honor knowing you saved the node. Yeah.


2,000 accounts affected is a bid deal



You do realize, all PLEX are bought with real cash, and actually cost more than a month of game time.


Anyway, doing the figures, and assuming 6 hours total loss among 2,000, you end up with less than $1000 total. If you can find a "lag fix" that total costs less than $1000.....

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Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-12-19 16:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Magna Mortem
I have a suggestion that will help you convince CCP that the matter needs more attention.

Flood highsec system with people and activity for a while.
No need for ganking or something and no need crashing nodes.

Just spread TiDi. You have the numbers to pull it off.

I'd love to see the effects of this.

Acta, non verba. Your whine threads are embarassing.
The whining is embarassing.

Stop whining and do something.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-12-19 17:15:48 UTC
CCP already knows the matter needs attention.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
NickSuccorso
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#105 - 2013-12-19 17:25:03 UTC
Magna Mortem wrote:
I have a suggestion that will help you convince CCP that the matter needs more attention.

Flood highsec system with people and activity for a while.
No need for ganking or something and no need crashing nodes.

Just spread TiDi. You have the numbers to pull it off.

I'd love to see the effects of this.

Acta, non verba. Your whine threads are embarassing.
The whining is embarassing.

Stop whining and do something.


That would be a bannable offense for anyone who participated in it if I am reading the EULA correctly. Tidi and server issues happen during major battles, that cannot be helped. However, doing it intentionally just to ruin other peoples gaming experience would be a serious issue.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#106 - 2013-12-19 17:34:19 UTC
Yeah, that too.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#107 - 2013-12-19 21:20:05 UTC
So CCP.
Based on Dev responses in GD, you seem un-interested in talking about any real game issues.

Does Dev posting in the brown-nose threads somehow help the game?

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Spurty
#108 - 2013-12-19 21:42:24 UTC
Node crashes are 'rare'

There's lots of people playing this game.

Node crashes usually happen when 'many' people run to the same location

At the moment, the BEST Cure for node crashes is more node crashes (until people give up running to the same location).

Is that a fix? NO
Is that what I want? NO

Do I enjoy reading how people (100% of the time they are affiliated with over sized guilds/forums) spend hours looking at the screen unable to do anything BUT STILL they sit there for hours doing it and then moan here on the forums? Hell yah! It's why I pay subs.

Now, go do something that's entertaining like post how its taken you an hour to change ammo in your 'Verticle Dreads' because 'Mother said so'.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Ima Smacku Harder
Doomheim
#109 - 2013-12-19 21:47:01 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
Stefanita Juarez wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion



It is only a problem for a small % of tbe game, high end game play but still small comparatively. Because eve is all about having a bigger stick people will always overload and nodes will crash. Fixing it is probably cost prohibitive. How many people that can fly capitals pay rl $ for your game time? So those people play essentially for free. If most don't use plex i would be amazed. Plex was a bad business decision imho. More cash means more hardware, programers, etc, which results in a better game. But your side can help by not counter dropping more caps. Just die with honor knowing you saved the node. Yeah.


2,000 accounts affected is a bid deal



You do realize, all PLEX are bought with real cash, and actually cost more than a month of game time.


Anyway, doing the figures, and assuming 6 hours total loss among 2,000, you end up with less than $1000 total. If you can find a "lag fix" that total costs less than $1000.....



My point is if you don't pay out of your OWN pocket you are basically playing for free. IF you are playing for NO RL monies from you pocket how much can you ***** about something that you pay NO RL monies for.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#110 - 2013-12-19 22:09:04 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
So CCP.
Based on Dev responses in GD, you seem un-interested in talking about any real game issues.

Does Dev posting in the brown-nose threads somehow help the game?

Yes

Or at least they think so

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#111 - 2013-12-19 22:20:53 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
So CCP.
Based on Dev responses in GD, you seem un-interested in talking about any real game issues.

Does Dev posting in the brown-nose threads somehow help the game?

What would dev responses in GD accomplish regarding this? Do we really need a constant stream of "We're working on it" posts?
CCP Veritas
C C P
C C P Alliance
#112 - 2013-12-19 22:32:03 UTC
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion

Long term plan is the same as the short term plan - diagnose the problem when it happens and fix it. Ideally twice; fixing the root cause and also hardening the system against similar faults.

The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.

It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.

CCP Veritas - Technical Director - EVE Online
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#113 - 2013-12-19 22:34:20 UTC
Need more sisi stress tests methinks... can these errors not be replicated via eve light?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#114 - 2013-12-19 22:34:48 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.

That is actually very nice to know.

Stress testing, eh...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2013-12-19 22:40:07 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.

When did that happen?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2013-12-19 22:42:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
CCP Veritas wrote:
The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.

When did that happen?

There was a thread asking about a patch today, possibly then?
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#117 - 2013-12-19 22:44:00 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion

Long term plan is the same as the short term plan - diagnose the problem when it happens and fix it. Ideally twice; fixing the root cause and also hardening the system against similar faults.

The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.

It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.


Errors in programming eh?

Well that is quite interesting to know.

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Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#118 - 2013-12-19 22:45:14 UTC
Magna Mortem wrote:
I have a suggestion that will help you convince CCP that the matter needs more attention.

Flood highsec system with people and activity for a while.
No need for ganking or something and no need crashing nodes.

Just spread TiDi. You have the numbers to pull it off.

I'd love to see the effects of this.

Acta, non verba. Your whine threads are embarassing.
The whining is embarassing.

Stop whining and do something.


Also i don't think null blocs want their player base banned for intentional server disruption or whatever.
So lets leave the silly at the door eh?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#119 - 2013-12-19 22:56:50 UTC
CCP Veritas wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion

Long term plan is the same as the short term plan - diagnose the problem when it happens and fix it. Ideally twice; fixing the root cause and also hardening the system against similar faults.

The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.

It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.


so no super computer that uses WHs to process data more quickly darn :P
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#120 - 2013-12-19 22:59:05 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
Magna Mortem wrote:
I have a suggestion that will help you convince CCP that the matter needs more attention.

Flood highsec system with people and activity for a while.
No need for ganking or something and no need crashing nodes.

Just spread TiDi. You have the numbers to pull it off.

I'd love to see the effects of this.

Acta, non verba. Your whine threads are embarassing.
The whining is embarassing.

Stop whining and do something.


Also i don't think null blocs want their player base banned for intentional server disruption or whatever.
So lets leave the silly at the door eh?

it's a trap

because they are sore about boat being banned or something?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?