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We invade for the silliest of reasons.

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Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#81 - 2013-12-26 04:55:26 UTC
Winthorp wrote:


They took my Redcoat, my monocle is next they say...


Just replace it with the LASER EYE or goggles...

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#82 - 2013-12-26 08:18:53 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Axloth Okiah wrote:
Tul Breetai wrote:
Wormhole space has less people who are more centralized
Source?

I never claimed I was using facts, you monkey.
So you basically admit that your own assertion is baseless. Nice... but you should have mentioned earlier that you're just pulling crap out of your arse, less time would be wasted.

Makes baseless claims.
Ridicules other baseless claims.

Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof rests with the one making assertions, not the one disputing them. You are claiming that population is declining and more centralized, so you need to deliver something that demonstrates that. As it stands now, you made a claim and you demand from others to disprove it. As you perhaps know, its not possible to prove a negative on its own.

As far as my observations go, I dare say I am in reasonably good position to assess both centralization and overall population of wspace. As a diplomat for major wh corp, I am in contact with all other large and many small wh groups and follow their developments (like standings changes, alliances reforming, etc) and it gives me good handle on the former, while being wh realtor and watching how both supply and demand for various classes of holes and statics changes gives me at least as good insight into the latter. So I would say my observations arent exactly baseless and are the very reason why I call BS on yours and demand evidence for them.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#83 - 2013-12-26 13:42:04 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Axloth Okiah wrote:
others used words



I may "disagree" a little with Axloth. I said the death is slowly creeping up on wormholes. Why did I say it?
It's demographic change, question will be is it a good one? I may agree that the population as it is, is on a highnote but thats a mixture of Growth and decay.

Rubicon made it easier for newcomers to go into Wormholes, the huge skill requirements of previous days are gone. Nowadays a new player can enter Wormholes rather quick without gathering aaaany expierence in the other spaces, which is impressive. On the other side you have the decay of the interest of older players who are leaving wormholes, re-arranging or bluntly just stop playing. So "wormhole" space as I know it is dying. New Blood is raising up and thats a good thing sad but good. But this is also leading towards a "stalemate".

We need changes for both sides of the COIN! Otherwise we will be stuck in the same old same old.....Old people need the excitement back and newcomers need the oppertunity....

"We just had a big fight bla bla yadda yadda..." Yes people need this once every 6 months to get their rocks of these days...

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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
#84 - 2013-12-27 20:35:43 UTC
Axloth Okiah wrote:

Unfortunately for you, the burden of proof rests with the one making assertions, not the one disputing them. You are claiming that population is declining and more centralized, so you need to deliver something that demonstrates that. As it stands now, you made a claim and you demand from others to disprove it. As you perhaps know, its not possible to prove a negative on its own.


I've done no such thing, and seriously, how long ago were you educated? It's terrible, it's like you think tossing out buzzwords and smirking is going to win you an argument.

The burden of proof is irrelevant because neither of us can prove anything at this point. The method we have to use is to demonstrate evidential support for our claims, to demonstrate that the claims are not baseless (neither of our claims are baseless, they're both founded on observation). It's like if I walked up to you and claimed there's a unicorn blowing a leprechaun in the backseat of your Shelby Cobra, and you don't believe me. Why? Because it's completely baseless.

Then, we compare the claims for assumptions or needless complexity. For you to believe what I insist to be observation, that a unicorn was blowing the leprechaun, you'd have to assume the existence of both leprechauns and unicorns, as well as the existence of this Shelby Cobra you didn't know you owned, the modification of a backseat to a car that does not have the frame for a backseat, the ability for a unicorn to fit in the backseat, the capacity for a unicorn to blow, and the desire for a leprechaun to get blown by a horse. On and on it goes.

And here we hit a bump. Neither of use have facts, and neither of us have documented evidence. They're equally useful and useless. The next step would be to verify the evidence, but there's nothing to test except replicate the observations, something nobody is willing to do. Here's the part where your facts would come in handy, but alas, that was only a delusion.

Axloth Okiah wrote:
As far as my observations go, I dare say I am in reasonably good position to assess both centralization and overall population of wspace. As a diplomat for major wh corp, I am in contact with all other large and many small wh groups and follow their developments (like standings changes, alliances reforming, etc) and it gives me good handle on the former, while being wh realtor and watching how both supply and demand for various classes of holes and statics changes gives me at least as good insight into the latter. So I would say my observations arent exactly baseless and are the very reason why I call BS on yours and demand evidence for them.


I have met plenty of w-space diplos, and 90% of them suck. It's unbelievable how careless we are with diplomacy, just because everyone's so pompously superior and afraid of becoming nullsec. As far as I can tell, being a diplo in w-space is claiming trashtalk rights in local for the vast majority of players. And of course your observations aren't baseless, they're based on what you observed. So you claim that, because you're a diplo, your claims are assumed to be true, and my claims are bs and you need evidence for them to even be considered? I'm a diplo too, you know, what does that do for your principles? I'm normally active daily on wormholesales.com. OMG I make billions trading, that has something to do with demand and supply, right? Hell yeah, I'm an expert on random irrelevant things too. So tell me, mister diplo, what is the population of wormhole space? I skipped that lecture at diplo school.

There's nothing worse than an EVE player, generally considered to be top of the food chain in the MMO world, that cannot smacktalk with wit and coherency.

Axloth Okiah
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-12-28 17:21:17 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
So "wormhole" space as I know it is dying. New Blood is raising up and thats a good thing sad but good. But this is also leading towards a "stalemate".

We need changes for both sides of the COIN! Otherwise we will be stuck in the same old same old.....Old people need the excitement back and newcomers need the oppertunity....
If you want to avoid stalemate, arent new blood and higher turnover good things? I agree that we could use some new content to keep bittervets excited, but ppl coming and going is natural :)
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#86 - 2013-12-28 17:51:05 UTC
Tul Breetai wrote:

I have met plenty of w-space diplos, and 90% of them suck. It's unbelievable how careless we are with diplomacy, just because everyone's so pompously superior and afraid of becoming nullsec. As far as I can tell, being a diplo in w-space is claiming trashtalk rights in local for the vast majority of players. And of course your observations aren't baseless, they're based on what you observed. So you claim that, because you're a diplo, your claims are assumed to be true, and my claims are bs and you need evidence for them to even be considered? I'm a diplo too, you know, what does that do for your principles? I'm normally active daily on wormholesales.com. OMG I make billions trading, that has something to do with demand and supply, right? Hell yeah, I'm an expert on random irrelevant things too. So tell me, mister diplo, what is the population of wormhole space? I skipped that lecture at diplo school.


Having been a diplo myself at one point, I can say there is far more involved than just trash talking. I also can't deny the trash talking you speak of. Lol It really just depends on the person you are dealing with. I've been fortunate enough to deal with more decent diplos than terrible ones. Really though, it's not an overly complicated job provided you aren't running a big blue donut type deal or your group has a generally **** reputation.

As far as the state of wh space goes, it's the same as it always has been. Groups that are lazy, don't scan, or sit there and chain roll their static all night aren't going to find anything to do. That doesn't mean wh space is dead. It means said groups didn't do their part to create any content for themselves.

No trolling please

Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#87 - 2013-12-28 18:33:17 UTC
As a cardholding member of the 90% Bad Wormhole Diplo Club, I can safely say that I would trashtalk in local. Also, I really hope this thread instigates an invasion. This is so exciting.


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QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#88 - 2013-12-28 20:45:40 UTC
I sincerely hope that my thread has instigated an invasion. At the same time disappointing. My last threads were trying, this one was the love child of mountain dew and vodka. A marriage born in hell.
Ashleigh Adams
Obsidian Squadron
#89 - 2013-12-29 20:12:41 UTC
Proclus Diadochu wrote:
Vembuvend wrote:
It's all very simple, really.

Wormholes don't have locals and therefore people living there aren't battle-hardened by the local trolls. In return it means that wormhole people are very sensitive to trolling and easily upset by words.


I lol'd.



you mean you use local and even have it open in WH's?

Why?
Ashleigh Adams
Obsidian Squadron
#90 - 2013-12-29 20:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashleigh Adams
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
You made claims based on observations. You need glasses.


I observed all your mommas' getting nailed by QT.

An that's FACT.

(I never had my glasses on though)
QT McWhiskers
MultiPass Inc.
The 5th Seal
#91 - 2014-01-03 05:16:02 UTC
I like where this thread has gone.
Van Steiza
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#92 - 2014-01-03 05:29:27 UTC
Hi there :)