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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#41 - 2013-12-16 16:15:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Electrique Wizard
I fully support anyone who cleans up your space-garbage after you've done your disgusting mission running.
You should be taxed and the player salvaging and cleaning up your scraps should be rewarded bounties directly from your wallet. Space clutter is no joke and I fail to see how OP is anything but a troll fishing for angry responses.

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Demica Diaz
SE-1
#42 - 2013-12-16 16:18:45 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?


Take safety trigger off and fire away! Lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2013-12-16 16:24:01 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
I fully support anyone who cleans up your space-garbage after you've done your disgusting mission running.
You should be taxed and the player salvaging and cleaning up you scraps should be rewarded bounties directly from you wallet. Space clutter is no joke and I fail to see how OP is anything but a troll fishing for angry responses.



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Boomhaur
#44 - 2013-12-16 19:15:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Mr. Orange wrote:
Mnethses wrote:
[quote=Ramona McCandless]

...

I'm an immortal piloting a multi-billion isk space ship amidst galaxy spanning empires.




I am now logging in my accounts and running a locator agent on you.

You're about to lose more than your precious salvage.

Pirate


Need someone to salvage his ship for ya, I may be of some assistance there Lol.

Oh and you have NO RIGHTS Mnethses. This is Eve the only right you have is the right to die at everyone else's leisure.

And as one hi-sec "carebear" to another you need to HTFU. (I am a carebear with fangs)

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-12-16 19:34:35 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


And I reiterate my point


This is how it has worked for 30,000 years


What makes you so special?



alright, I'll discuss this on your terms

For starters, I'm not an illiterate, scurvy suffering sailor freezing his rear off on some god forsaken wooden ship, wishing I knew how to swim.

I'm an immortal piloting a multi-billion isk space ship amidst galaxy spanning empires.

If you think capsuleers can't come up with a piece of deployable equipment to protect their valuable mission scrap (and massively valuable ship in the case of low sec mission runners) from pirates, then you're as idiotic as your application of 16th century maritime law to 30th century, space-faring demigods.
You keep talking to her like that and your billion isk ship will be a pile of dust in no time, mister! Have manners! You're enraged about random internet spaceship strangers taking your space pixels!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2013-12-16 19:35:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Boomhaur wrote:
Mr. Orange wrote:
Mnethses wrote:
[quote=Ramona McCandless]

...

I'm an immortal piloting a multi-billion isk space ship amidst galaxy spanning empires.




I am now logging in my accounts and running a locator agent on you.

You're about to lose more than your precious salvage.

Pirate


Need someone to salvage his ship for ya, I may be of some assistance there Lol.

Oh and you have NO RIGHTS Mnethses. This is Eve the only right you have is the right to die at everyone else's leisure.

And as one hi-sec "carebear" to another you need to HTFU. (I am a carebear with fangs)
Yo mate, can i help?

edit: quoted the wrong post. help blowing him up, ya can keep his salvage!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-12-16 19:40:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Angelica Dreamstar
Mnethses wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Salvage doesn't exist until your salvager creates it in your cargo hold, or the drones create it and drop it off. So if pirates some how manage to steal it from you after this has happened, you can in fact shoot them. So what is your problem exactly?



Ah! I have miscommunicated, my apologies; I'm talking about people who sit around high-sec in salv fit destroyers scanning down mission runners' sites and salvaging their wrecks, while the mission runner is forced to just watch, because concord wont let us fire on robbers in high sec


I'm honestly shocked so many people are for allowing this kind of behavior, I'd have expected it to fill with people sharing similar complaints. These pirates are infuriating; not everyone wants to play the lowsec game. We should be allowed to keep our peace in highsec.
Dude! Do you have ANY idea what then happens?

Mission runners all over new eden will cry out loud for getting killed even easier than before! Ya know what happened the last time people asked for such a flagging system? They got killed all over the place! Blown to pieces, man!

"Let us defend ourselves from people who steal our cans!"

And CCP gave them as they wanted and ya know what happened ?

People canflipped the **** out of idiots like you and BOOM they were blown to pieces !!

WOOHOO damn you're right, we should TOTALLY have such a system implemented!!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#48 - 2013-12-16 19:46:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
If it's not in your cargo bay, the salvage isn't yours. If someone steals the loot though, they become suspects, you should definitely shoot at them.StraightPirate

Per CCP Mitnal:
CCP Mitnal wrote:
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
GM Faolchu wrote:
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
GM Ytterbium wrote:
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
CCP Prism X wrote:
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Per CCP Incognito :
CCP Incognito wrote:
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#49 - 2013-12-16 19:50:29 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do


I dont know where you got the idea that you are not allowed to shoot at them or to fight back. Just change your safety settings to red and you're good to go.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-12-16 19:53:42 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do


I dont know where you got the idea that you are not allowed to shoot at them or to fight back. Just change your safety settings to red and you're good to go.



But he doesn't want any repercussions for fighting someone who is just cleaning up his mess for him.

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#51 - 2013-12-16 19:57:04 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
I dont know where you got the idea that you are not allowed to shoot at them or to fight back. Just change your safety settings to red and you're good to go.

But he doesn't want any repercussions for fighting someone who is just cleaning up his mess for him.

But again, if someone is actually stealing his salvage, he'll have the right to shoot the guy already so there's no need to change the safety settings, and the repercussions are already there. Blink
Bort Malice
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2013-12-16 19:59:39 UTC
I would like to say that not only am I a Salvager by trade, but I operate a Salvaging corp. I object to being called a pirate by this Mission Runner. Mission Runners in my experience mostly leave their wrecks behind after taking the juiciest items. Further more they rarely abandon anything they leave properly, meaning that I and my team usually have to abandon the loots or (more commonly again) bring in gunships while we clear the route of debris and loot-cans.

People like the OP never stop to consider the conditions we have to work in. And in cases where we do salvage a "live field", the Missioner never comms us regarding the wrecks to discuss it, they just get snippy and I have to get the gunships on grid to make sure the situation doesnt go out of control.

I would prefer to live in a world where Salvagers and Mission Runners can work together for a profitable future. But while attitudes like that of the OP persist to claim that people like me, and my father and my father's father, have no right to take the wrecks that we have long made our livelyhood from, then I fear that this will never change.

Its thanks to us you don't smack into a field of dead Ibises everytime you undock from a station you know.
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#53 - 2013-12-16 20:03:20 UTC
OP: Don't you want to use your anger on something more worthwhile? High-sec NPC salvage sucks, which is the only place you need to worry about concord, flags, etc. In null (and low to an extent), you shoot the people taking your salvage. That is how you counter ninja-salvagers.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#54 - 2013-12-16 20:46:20 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
OP: Don't you want to use your anger on something more worthwhile? High-sec NPC salvage sucks, which is the only place you need to worry about concord, flags, etc. In null (and low to an extent), you shoot the people taking your salvage. That is how you counter ninja-salvagers.


Carmen Electra wrote:
Null plexing (in my admittedly limited experience) is more problematic. I tried for a couple of weeks and never got that golden drop. I also lost three blingtars to PvPers (I'm on the other end of that more often than not, so no hard feelings). I could have been a lot more careful, but warping out everytime there's +1 in local is not my idea of fun. Are you factoring in the dud drops, the time you spend hiding from PvPers who want to turn your mission boat into a KM into your isk/hr?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-12-16 20:50:35 UTC
WTB cargo stealer with Concord suppressant.
Oh and maybe a Vindicator or machariel
Which one is better to suicide in?
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2013-12-16 21:31:02 UTC
If someone is taking salvage out of your cargo hold, petition it.

If it's not in your cargo hold, it does not belong to you. CCP has been very clear on this.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#57 - 2013-12-16 21:34:31 UTC
Dorian Wylde wrote:
If someone is taking salvage out of your cargo hold......



Its ok, Im a doctor

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#58 - 2013-12-16 21:37:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
If someone is taking salvage out of your cargo hold......

Its ok, Im a doctor

Of what? Horticulture?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#59 - 2013-12-16 21:38:43 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
If someone is taking salvage out of your cargo hold......

Its ok, Im a doctor

Of what? Horticulture?


Are you calling me a Hort?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#60 - 2013-12-16 21:39:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dorian Wylde wrote:
If someone is taking salvage out of your cargo hold......

Its ok, Im a doctor

Of what? Horticulture?


Cheekbone Reconstruction.

See the awesome job Ramona did on mine?

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