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Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-16 14:17:36 UTC
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-16 14:19:38 UTC
Hey, maybe we could get a small deployable structure to hide our mission sites from pirates?
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#3 - 2013-12-16 14:19:59 UTC
NO!

Your wrecks are a belong to me! Make your time!!
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-16 14:27:20 UTC
But I didn't clear that mission for you. I cleared it for me.

I'm I not entitled to defend my own works? My own properties?
Why does the npc state defend robbers?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#5 - 2013-12-16 14:34:17 UTC
Clearly you are not aware of the rules of maritime salvage and how they apply here


The cargo belongs to you


The wrecks are finders-keepers


That is the way it has always been


Please dont cry

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues
Aprilon Dynasty
#6 - 2013-12-16 14:36:02 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do


Because as per numerous CCP replies over the years, salvage belongs to nobody, you only have rights to the contents of the wreck itself not the salvage that the wreck is made of, if you dont like people salvaging then avoid busy mission hubs or fly a marauder, salvaging is a valid profession in EVE so this mechanic is very unlikely to ever change :)
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-12-16 14:45:40 UTC
Then I reiterate my previous suggestion

We should be allowed to deploy some kind of scan diffusing structure, so people who want the salvage they worked for can keep it, and those who want to leave it for salvagers can do so.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#8 - 2013-12-16 14:48:38 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Then I reiterate my previous suggestion

We should be allowed to deploy some kind of scan diffusing structure, so people who want the salvage they worked for can keep it, and those who want to leave it for salvagers can do so.



And I reiterate my point


This is how it has worked for 30,000 years


What makes you so special?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-16 14:56:40 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


And I reiterate my point


This is how it has worked for 30,000 years


What makes you so special?



alright, I'll discuss this on your terms

For starters, I'm not an illiterate, scurvy suffering sailor freezing his rear off on some god forsaken wooden ship, wishing I knew how to swim.

I'm an immortal piloting a multi-billion isk space ship amidst galaxy spanning empires.

If you think capsuleers can't come up with a piece of deployable equipment to protect their valuable mission scrap (and massively valuable ship in the case of low sec mission runners) from pirates, then you're as idiotic as your application of 16th century maritime law to 30th century, space-faring demigods.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2013-12-16 14:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
You are.
You're just confused about what needs to happen for them to be able to steal your salvage.

Quote:
We should be allowed to deploy some kind of scan diffusing structure, so people who want the salvage they worked for can keep it
This already exists. It's called “a ship” (or “a tank”, depending on which level of detail you want) — it's what lets you keep the salvage you worked for. As soon as you've worked for your salvage, it appears in your cargo hold. In order to keep what you've worked for, you have to make sure you're not blown up and your wrecked loot for the goodies inside.
Nancy Crow
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#11 - 2013-12-16 14:59:01 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Then I reiterate my previous suggestion

We should be allowed to deploy some kind of scan diffusing structure, so people who want the salvage they worked for can keep it, and those who want to leave it for salvagers can do so.


That doesn't sound ridiculously OP to you? Surely no one would think to make any fleet unprobable via this module...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#12 - 2013-12-16 14:59:33 UTC
Mnethses wrote:


If you think capsuleers can't come up with a piece of deployable equipment to protect their valuable mission scrap (and massively valuable ship in the case of low sec mission runners) from pirates, then you're as idiotic as your application of 16th century maritime law to 30th century, space-faring demigods.


So out of 30,000 you choose one tiny little obscure part of that

I see

Look, if you can't rationalise why you are wrong, and you are acting like an entitled little brat, well that hardly my problem is it

I hope the next ninja salvager melts your pod, you stuck-up snide little child

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Karynn Denton
Astrometrica
#13 - 2013-12-16 14:59:46 UTC
Salvage belongs to whoever gets to it first.
Be quicker.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-12-16 14:59:50 UTC
lol highsec salvage robbers.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#15 - 2013-12-16 15:00:43 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
[quote=Ramona McCandless]

...

I'm an immortal piloting a multi-billion isk space ship amidst galaxy spanning empires.




I am now logging in my accounts and running a locator agent on you.

You're about to lose more than your precious salvage.

Pirate
Mag's
Azn Empire
#16 - 2013-12-16 15:02:49 UTC
Salvage doesn't exist until your salvager creates it in your cargo hold, or the drones create it and drop it off. So if pirates some how manage to steal it from you after this has happened, you can in fact shoot them. So what is your problem exactly?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-16 15:04:01 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


So out of 30,000 you choose one tiny little obscure part of that




The fact that you couldn't extrapolate a concept of the endless and ever accelerating advance of technological development from my post astounds me.

You have proven yourself just one more caustic forum troll.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#18 - 2013-12-16 15:05:38 UTC
Mnethses wrote:



The fact that you couldn't extrapolate a concept of the endless and ever accelerating advance of technological development from my post astounds me.

You have proven yourself just one more caustic forum troll.



Why would the tradition change just because technology does?

In what way does the technology effect who should own something after its owner dies?


And if Im caustic, is that because you feel burned?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#19 - 2013-12-16 15:06:41 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Salvage doesn't exist until your salvager creates it in your cargo hold, or the drones create it and drop it off. So if pirates some how manage to steal it from you after this has happened, you can in fact shoot them. So what is your problem exactly?



His problem is that he feels he's entitled to things that don't belong to him


Someone should teach him that his hull belongs to them in the same way


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#20 - 2013-12-16 15:09:45 UTC
Ehh, if someone's gonna waste the time needed to probe out and run salvage on my mission alt, then, they really need those scraps more than I do.

Did have someone make the mistake of jumping in one of my mission rooms to salvage, before I'd finished clearing the room. Aggro'ed the entire room with a TP, then jumped out. Guy must have been paying more attention to salvage than red crosses, I bounced back to a covops frig wreck.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
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