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CFC Declares War on N3.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#401 - 2013-12-19 22:13:25 UTC
I don't really think adding new ships is the answer.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#402 - 2013-12-19 22:26:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't really think adding new ships is the answer.


I do. Well in conjunction with nerf to carrier drone bay and boost to fighters.

You say there is no sub cap counter to cap ships.

A heavy bomber would be this counter.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#403 - 2013-12-19 22:34:36 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
I do. Well in conjunction with nerf to carrier drone bay and boost to fighters.

You can't nerf the bay if you still expect carriers to be able to field fighters. The other option would be to give carriers two bays - one which only takes fighters and has almost the same capacity as the current bay, and another which is severely reduced from current levels (which can carry any drone, but because of size means this would be standard combat drones).

The problem though is that carriers still have the ability to refit off each other, and with that 10k m^3 fleet hangar (enough for up to 40 flights of sentries), making a drone bay nerf significantly less effective. Removing either the refit ability or the hangar is not something I would support. There's no easy fix to this problem.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#404 - 2013-12-19 22:35:55 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't really think adding new ships is the answer.

Megacarriers, Supertitans

A coalition might only have two... maybe as many as three of these

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#405 - 2013-12-19 22:38:25 UTC
ccp talked about not letting caps refit while locked in the old titan thread (which for some reason is still stickied)
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#406 - 2013-12-19 22:43:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiryen O'Bannon
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Because more caps being the only counter to caps is totally indicative of a balanced mechanic.


Yeah, clearly it's "more" and not "a different type". Ok, so there's (alledgedly) no subcap counter. Naglfars counter slowcats. Is there also no subcap counter to Naglfars?

As to the refitting, how about just removing the ability to refit while on an aggression timer?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#407 - 2013-12-19 22:58:03 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
ccp talked about not letting caps refit while locked in the old titan thread (which for some reason is still stickied)

still stickied, maybe because they forgot

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#408 - 2013-12-19 23:09:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
There's no easy fix to this problem.


Well therr is make it so carriers cant use drones.

Boost ffighters by making a tier two fighter that acts like a sentry drone but is the size of a fighter

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Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#409 - 2013-12-20 00:56:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Because more caps being the only counter to caps is totally indicative of a balanced mechanic.



The counter to pulse abbadons and PANIC geddons was alpha fleet. More battleships, to counter battleships. GSF is incapable of pulling off slowcats counter, so instead you man the forums.

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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#410 - 2013-12-20 01:10:28 UTC
Paper, rock, slowcats.

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Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#411 - 2013-12-20 01:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Il Feytid
Dreads are designed to kill capitals and sov related structures. CFC says they will use Nags to kill our capitals. Finally they are going to bring the right tool for the job.

Yet they still complain they should be able to bring the wrong tool because they brought a bunch of them. I don't get it.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#412 - 2013-12-20 01:46:18 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Dreads are designed to kill capitals and sov related structures. CFC says they will use Nags to kill our capitals. Finally they are going to bring the right tool for the job.

Yet they still complain they should be able to bring the wrong tool because they brought a bunch of them. I don't get it.


It seems that they resent the fact that they have to actually train into a new ship.

This is "unfair."
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#413 - 2013-12-20 01:51:58 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Dreads are designed to kill capitals and sov related structures. CFC says they will use Nags to kill our capitals. Finally they are going to bring the right tool for the job.

Yet they still complain they should be able to bring the wrong tool because they brought a bunch of them. I don't get it.


It seems that they resent the fact that they have to actually train into a new ship.

This is "unfair."

But it's not really that much training.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#414 - 2013-12-20 02:24:53 UTC
Actually I'm pretty stoked I have a good excuse to train a dread now.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#415 - 2013-12-20 02:52:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Actually I'm pretty stoked I have a good excuse to train a dread now.


The first sensible thing you have said in a while.

Pirate
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#416 - 2013-12-20 03:18:26 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Actually I'm pretty stoked I have a good excuse to train a dread now.

You fell for the mittani's spin

goonpet

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#417 - 2013-12-20 03:54:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
ccp talked about not letting caps refit while locked in the old titan thread (which for some reason is still stickied)

still stickied, maybe because they forgot

watch for the same thread coming up re: archon/carrier balancing soon
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#418 - 2013-12-20 03:55:59 UTC
well. about as quickly as ccp ever gets urgent balancing needs attended to, anyway
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#419 - 2013-12-20 04:06:51 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
well. about as quickly as ccp ever gets urgent balancing needs attended to, anyway

A year or two after something even worse gets put in?

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Faidin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#420 - 2013-12-20 05:15:32 UTC
So N3 versus 80% of null-sec Eve...I hope they win. Goons and this CFC garbage are long overdue calamity.