Warfare & Tactics

Y'know what, this is the first time I've participated in a forum topic and based solely upon the interaction therein decided I actually don't like someone.

Your point is about as blunt as your intellect, seems to me.

You have a good evenin' now.

Nonsense. LP farmers never engage neutrals in the first place. Go back to the first page of this thread.

Fair enough.

farmers don't give a **** about anything since the chars are throw away chars anyway. Entering a plex is an aggression since you enter it to fight. The system does not track this aggression and this has to be fixed. Is it only relevant for plexes? I don't know.

it does somewhat affect me since i have no alts - but thats not the point. Paying the fees to get the sec back is not the issue for me i just don't want to do it since the game mechanics don't make any sense. It doesn't make sense that you won't be able to shop in amarr after a while doing your "job" in the amar militia.

If i would sit at gates, station undocks or scan neutrals down in sites would be completely fine with it, since this is the gameplay of a criminal/pirate/whatever. But being in a plex as open target for everybody and giving neutrals fights should not have the side effect of becoming an outlaw. The neutrals entering the plex should be tracked as criminal, since they are agressing. The game should flag them and it is all cool.

Remember this is the eyes of concord we are talking about. If warping to a plex is 'aggressing' then so is warping to the belt that a miner is working in. As he is there and you obviously are here to attack him.

Sorry it don't work like that. Concord doesn't 'prevent' crime or actively stop it happening, they 'avenge' crime. There is a big difference and once you understand the difference then a suspect timer for entering a FW plex just doesn't fit with the whole concept of the 'crimewatch' system.

If anyone would be flagging player then it would be the militia not concord (as they look the other way during war) then you'd have to implement another 'crimewatch' for FW aggression which would inter just add to the back end mess of code. You'd also then have to look at implementing the same suspect flagging for a neut who warps to your mission or exploration plex as they are obviously there to attack as well.

Seriously there is no argument than can withstand a simple logic test for a suspect flag to be given a neutral who warps to a FW plex. There is no precedent within eve history/lore to support it. There are only a bunch of players who don't like the penalty of attacking a 'neutral' cos they 'know' they are here to attack them.

My last RL analogy: Why do you think it is so hard to demonstrate 'reasonable cause' if you attack first when you think you about to be mugged/attacked? Simply because you are trying to predict the future and there is always a possibility that you may not have been attacked. That mugger may have just been reaching for a lighter rather than a knife or gun.

Once again. Concord is the holder of 'suspect' flagging NOT the militias. Until you are actively engaged the other ship is 'neutral'.

Accept this or move on. I'm now going to ignore this thread as the people who are still complaining have been put into my HTFU box and are to be ignored :)

it would be a limited engagement timer, and it would be for entering plexes. The timer is between the neutral entering the plex and everyone already inside. It has the lone purpose to not reduce the sec status of anybody. This is true for both parties because the timer is obviously bi-directional.

defending a plex is not a crime. It doesn't matter if you see it from concord perspective, take a RL analogy or just use common sense and take a step back and look at the sec tracking mechanics as a whole. Nobody enters plexes to say hello, you enter plexes to fight, thats why entering plexes should count as agression, the militia member should not lose sec status for doing his job.


why not. Its just a topic i have no clue about. If it is changed it should be certainly checked if it makes sense for more "i am on a mission in lowsec" situations. But eve's current pve is so limited that i don't see anything comparable to capture the flag style FW plexes atm.. but i can be wrong since i don't do pve very often.

When you say "entering plexes", do you mean that the LE flag would be triggered on landing on the beacon, or on activation of the accel gate?

I have doubts about either working, to be honest.

A trigger based on landing on the beacon would be a bit bizarre - nowhere else uses that mechanic and it would be damn fiddly to implement. The flagging system is based on actions done to other things, not on your position in space.

A trigger based on activation of the gate would be worse. Those already inside the plex would see their LE flag go up, mouse over it, find out exactly who's incoming. Conversely, I could activate the gate, pull the handbrake and do likewise to confirm who's in there.

I think this pretty much sums it up. I wouldn't mind seeing neutral plex crashers draw a suspect flag but I also don't really see the current mechanics as broken either.

OP said SUSPECT FLAG, was replying to that

So limited engagement to people in the plex ? And then limited engagements from everyone to everyone as people enter the plex?
Sorry I think that is even sillier. Would be a coding nightmare, on top of a potentially server crippling performance issue.

The bigger issue is, it's not broken, so it doesn't need a fix.