Warfare & Tactics

So neuts regularly enter FW plex's without joining FW.

This, to me, is an open declaration of intent to war against all FW Militias but they want to shoot everyone and have no consequence other than a dsec status hit. Some live to be -10 and use alts to bypass the disadvantage of this in high sec and furthermore there is now a high cost instant remedy to solve your sec status issues.

Whilst these are decisions the neutral player makes (a choice) it is unfortunate that a FW'er has to compromise their position when a neut enters a FW plex to either agrees, take a suspect flag and a sec status hit, or risk losing a fight by handing the advantage of first strike to the neutral agressers.

I think a simple change could be applied that evens the playing field without being unfair:

1. Entering a FW plex, whilst not being a member of a FW militia, gives a suspect flag.


Disagree? Give a good reasoning and I may change my mind.

Like I said great reasoning. Doh!


I'm hard enough thank you. I live with the current system.

Low sec is loosely associated with FW - agree. FW plex's are, however, tightly associated with FW.

You enter into the plex with intention of going suspect (unless it is a outlaw inside) so what is the problem?

Oh you want this slight advantage to remain.

Nice knee JERK reaction.

Might make for interesting warp out games (suspect timer, no gate guns if they chase you). really though, we want neuts to be able to enter plexes, makes for more and better pew pew. I would however like to see the weak little rats shoot them though (shoot anyone that isn't in their faction).

Neutrals in plexes are very welcome since you can be mostly sure they aren't cloaked and stabbed nancies.

Don't talk to me about stabbed, cloaked nancies. The russians are pushing the warzone back up in vast numbers again so you guys can get ELLPEE. This has made me sad :( I spend most of my time like this;

-OMG excellent, rifter in novice, time to pew face.
-Hit gate, Punch it!
-Pewsacomin yeeeeeeeeeah
-enters plex, no rifter, not on long
-realised he cloaked
-spin round the button in vain attempt to decloak although I don't know why because if he does he'll warp off as I haven't brought my twin scram hookbill
-Cry myself to sleep at the keyboard because that was the 6th occurance in a row.

However all is not lost because actually, for pvp the warzone is exactly 5 systems wide. After an hours roam round the darkest, deepest part of minmatar homelands where you would expect defences against incursions of people such as myself I just return to the warm bosum of mother HED/SASEN and pewpewpew where we all politely discuss in local the pro's and con's of each others tactics after a gfgf followed by lively discourse on why our side win's at FW.

Good OP;

Almost the only players who attack me in my novice plex are neutral. FW would be a complete bore without them so lets not discourage them.

your humble servent
SeaSaw

Don't be a pussy and shoot anything that enters your plex, either neutral or enemy militia. Sec status loss is negligible.

You have it all backwards, make FW plexes not give sec status hits to anyone at all while keeping the faction hit for AWOXing. You don't need to apply a flag, just make all aggression lawful inside then everyone can shoot everyone just like a little pocket of null.

Not knee jerk reaction. I have been heavily involved with FW for years.

Your arguments are just plain whining about not having any consequences to your actions while padding your LP wallets with little to no risk.

If you want a real work analogy pick an FOB in an active war zone. You occupy the area with your own troops. If you see any 'enemy' you actively engage however you don't just shoot anyone who wanders in without serious repercussions.

Simple HTFU and either warp out if you don't want to engage or shoot them and accept the penalties (which is easily fixed by tags as you will be making shed loads of isk from FW)

Really guy? Your argument is about as well reasoned as your posturing is impressive. To be clear: not very impressive.

No consequences or risk? We aren't talking about neuts spoiling the stabbed plex farming alt's ISK/Hour ratio here. The OP clearly says he has no problem taking fights from neuts in plexes. For a FW pilot who is looking for PVP, neuts plex crashing is not a problem, its a welcome opportunity for a fight. Those pilots know they have the ability to run if they choose as soon as the hostile shows up on short scan. Instead they stay, and risk their ship, their isk and their pride... which is more than enough for anyone to risk in this internet spaceship game.

The stabbed plex farming alt is the "no risk" player, and they shouldn't even be considered in this discussion because they aren't relevant.



How you think this is an apt comparison is a mystery to me. For one thing: we are talking about an internet spaceship game here amigo. Not a ******* real life war zone. This is entertainment.

Even so, your comparison is inaccurate. For one, actual militaries have Rules of Engagement that vary wildly. Even assuming soldiers at an FOB are going to adhere to "don't fire unless fired upon" I can't think of a single warzone in the history of ever where soldiers were manning FOBs where it was commonplace for equally or better armed military forces not explicitly aligned with any belligerent party to regularly violate their perimeter and not get shot at.

We aren't complaining about innocent Ventures wandering in to mine the button as if they were Afghan goatherds.



So yeah, this is pretty much just more posturing. The OP clearly illustrated that the status quo is exactly as you state it. You offer no defense of why this status quo contributes positively to the game we are all playing together. I think the OP tagged you correctly as simply wanting to maintain the slight advantage you perceive in forcing FW pilots to choose between taking a sec hit to engage first or granting "first strike" to their aggressor.