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Analyzed the connections between systems using network metrics and posted a visual- You'll Love

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#41 - 2013-12-13 22:05:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Steve Ronuken
Jita is Jita because it's Jita.

However, Jita became what it is now, because:
It's a 0.9 security system at the intersection of multiple regions
It used to have a decent level 4 agent for the Caldari Navy
Caldari used to be the best race to be, as their attribute setup was the best for the skills you'd want.





Directed graphs are nice and all, but in this case, it's not taking into account everything which needs to be taken into account.

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stoicfaux
#42 - 2013-12-13 22:16:18 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
As far as i can tell, OPs pretty picture measures system connectivity and provides no useful info other than that. Factors like the difference in sec status (that Rancer workaround hurts trade routes) and number/type of agents/stations/belts in each system all affect how systems are used.
Or not.

So we're posting in a stealth "if all systems were null-sec, then EVE would make more sense" thread?

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#43 - 2013-12-13 22:34:08 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:

So we're posting in a stealth "if all systems were null-sec, then EVE would make more sense" thread?



*spins on swivel-chair, hand on chin

Yes, yes i see it all now.


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Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#44 - 2013-12-13 22:46:22 UTC
It does a good job of demonstrating that Amarr is a natural trade-hub due to its location, while Jita is an artificial one (IIRC, Jita became popular because a) Yulai got killed, b) EVE players love Caldari too much, and c) it used to have good agents (CCP took them away one day).

If Jita got killed, somewhere on the natural highway might be an ideal spot for a new hub.

I'd be interested to see a variation where the weighting is based on the security status of the system the arc connects to (so, make 0.9-0.5 space progressively more costly, make lowsec and nullsec significantly more so). Would that change the graph significantly?

It'd also justify having a di-graph. Take that, troll!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2013-12-13 22:58:31 UTC
This thread is reminding me that I really need to study for my discrete mathematics final next week.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#46 - 2013-12-13 23:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
stoicfaux wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
As far as i can tell, OPs pretty picture measures system connectivity and provides no useful info other than that. Factors like the difference in sec status (that Rancer workaround hurts trade routes) and number/type of agents/stations/belts in each system all affect how systems are used.
Or not.

So we're posting in a stealth "if all systems were null-sec, then EVE would make more sense" thread?




But to say that "Rancer hurts trade routes" is to say a bit much IMO - giving Rancer too much credit. It only means that hauling ships won't go there, nor players looking to get somewhere for any other reason.

Imagine if things were set up such that Rancer sat on a ridiculous comparison level so great, that it would be profitable to bring law and order to that system in order to benefit from an improved trade route?

This is one of the problems plaguing lowsec and the lost career of true piracy (seeking booty, spoils, and ransoms). Nobody HAS to go to lowsec. Even the OP has a choice not to go there. But the "grrr highsec CCP force players into my gate camp nao" solution has no traction either, since solutions offered up to make lowsec more viable always have the appearance of arbitrarily forcing people into killing zones. The OP wants to take a chance to make more ISK there, and could do so, but is asking for better ways, while as it's pointed out, profit can be made in highsec.

The unavoidable fact is that you lose ships in lowsec, and damage to the profit margin is enormous to such level that to break even is lucky (referring mainly to mining - missioners who play it smart have an easier time maintaining a good profit margin).

I would love to have some body armor made from the hide of the lowsec dead horse as it has taken a beating for a long time and still holds together. To this day I cannot see any solution.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Adunh Slavy
#47 - 2013-12-13 23:40:27 UTC
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
i would actually like a word of CCP explaining HOW the universe was ACTUALLY made. they could not only stop this thread, but also i would LOVE to know how the eve-universe was made.
that knowlege might even be usefull ingame. (say exploration fo rexample)



It was explained at fanfest a few years ago. Some sort of fractal that is supposed to mimic crystal growth. Probably on the Eve youtube channel, though don't ask me which one.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2013-12-13 23:43:27 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
This thread is reminding me that I really need to study for my discrete mathematics final next week.

Which I might fail.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#49 - 2013-12-14 00:02:14 UTC
Nerds
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#50 - 2013-12-14 02:47:18 UTC
Nantwig Mutbrecht wrote:
i would actually like a word of CCP explaining HOW the universe was ACTUALLY made. they could not only stop this thread, but also i would LOVE to know how the eve-universe was made.
that knowlege might even be usefull ingame. (say exploration fo rexample)


Who created EvE universe actually held a Fanfest talk where he shown what he used both to create the solar systems and their names.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#51 - 2013-12-20 11:13:38 UTC
Off topic, spam and troll posts were removed.

Please stay on topic, polite and constructive. Thank you!

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#52 - 2013-12-20 12:03:44 UTC
Op is trying to find statistical reasoning as to why things are as they are, while omitting very important factors. So as a "for fun" thing to do it's fine but to actually use the results to form statements it's pretty much meaningless.
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