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Hi I just met you and I m crazy, so here is a threadnaught, fix my space maybe? PEOPLE BE UPSET!

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Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#21 - 2013-12-12 01:26:43 UTC
Sandcastle-kicking shitpoaster checking in...


I'm going to have to read this in sessions, Bert. So far, good read.

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2013-12-12 01:57:16 UTC
If you dont like the post... you will like this

01:41:14 Combat 5329 from Secure Mainframe - Hits

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Remy Nolen
Sama Guild
#23 - 2013-12-12 03:55:56 UTC
Some1's been blue balled in C4 space a bit too much. Only logical thing to explain your frothing. C4 space is pratically perfect as it is right now & honestly is the TRUE WH space. I'd go as far to say it's the most balanced space in all of EvE.
Blodhgarm Dethahal
8 Sins of Man
Stray Dogs.
#24 - 2013-12-12 04:22:15 UTC
HerrBert wrote:


The fun in wormholes is not the Scanning part, its the layout of the chains itself, in what system to fight, who is also connected and what is behind the next hole ... NOT IGNORING GAS, RELIC and DATA SITES ... THATS NOT UNKNOWN THATS ******* ACCOUNTANTS WORK!


Hmm.. I don't know about you guys but I kinda like scanning myself, and I've been doing it since day one.. haven't gotten burned out yet. Sure I let the new guys take the reins every now and then but they need the experience, but I kinda enjoy the quietness with my probes and my ship.

So I find it very odd that you consider scanning should not be your 'daily bread.' What should my bread be then? Cereal? You know everything has daily bread right? Nullsec has its Blobs and Sov Warfare and Titan Bridges and all that stuff. We have cloaks, scanning, and T3s.

To me, on this specific point, you yourself are burned out of scanning. Have you tried taking a break from it? I suggest low sec.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2013-12-12 04:43:31 UTC
Remy Nolen wrote:
Some1's been blue balled in C4 space a bit too much. Only logical thing to explain your frothing. C4 space is pratically perfect as it is right now & honestly is the TRUE WH space. I'd go as far to say it's the most balanced space in all of EvE.

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Proclus Diadochu
Mar Sarrim
Red Coat Conspiracy
#26 - 2013-12-12 04:59:00 UTC
Remy Nolen wrote:
Some1's been blue balled in C4 space a bit too much. Only logical thing to explain your frothing. C4 space is pratically perfect as it is right now & honestly is the TRUE WH space. I'd go as far to say it's the most balanced space in all of EvE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJL4Y3aGPuA

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Winthorp
#27 - 2013-12-12 05:16:29 UTC
Witchway wrote:
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This, but really ima going to have to be a whole lot more drunker to read your kind of crazy bert.

I will wait until i am plastered and read it aloud in your accent.
Billy Hardcore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-12-12 08:05:49 UTC
hmm......HMMMMMMM....must think harder upon this

#BillyFleet

Sirius Fidelis
Doomheim
#29 - 2013-12-12 08:16:37 UTC
Can anyone translate this into English?

Thanks in advance!
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-12-12 14:14:28 UTC
I find it hard to motivate my self to do anything in wormholes anymore due to that fact that i've been doing the same stuff day in day out for about 3 year now. The is nothing new or interesting to in wormholes any more and ccp doesn't seem care.

The only reason i still live in WH space is because chitsa keeps coming on our comms saying "there is something really exciting for wormhole folks coming in the next update guys"... I'm starting to think he's talking crap.

Joran Jackson
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#31 - 2013-12-12 14:17:13 UTC
I don't understand how this became a thread.
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2013-12-12 14:20:23 UTC
Several did see through my “sarcasm” and of course the “option” of changing Wormholes to non-scanable objects is outrages and for those that don’t understand where I’m coming from when I’m saying this: I wish I could be average John Q Wormhole but I’ve seen over the past two years how Wormhole space changed without the real “intention” of changing it. Most changes were Quality of Life changes but their Impact, (example Corp Bookmarks) are beyond Quality of Life, with them the cultivation of the 2nd and 3rd Generation corps was even possible in their current form, most of these Corps have the ability to sustain players within Wormholes without having those hardcore Scan pilots. As a good example I would suggest Kwon Po from Kill or Lammhoofd Hashdur from SSC, Icky from SUSU and several others that perfected scanning towards an Art form, although it’s just “scanning”, they can swoop through systems within minutes and the Tools they had and the development of the scanning system made the advantage they acquired by training “neglect able”. Thanks to constant “improvements” for the “general” player. Wormhole Space and its residents have this sad realization which is derived from a time when they actually wanted to move to wormholes. Wormholes were a challenge, it was different in terms of Mechanics and Environment also with the System Bonuses which rarely get used for Fleetfights unless it’s a home system or through sheer coincidence you ended up fighting there, the real tactical advantage of the Environment is not the prime focus of the fight, the prime focus of the fight is just getting the fight… which is sad, then again there are already calls that Wormholes are of Null sec nature, without the Problem of making Wormholes non scan able anomalies. So for now we are tip toeing around an issue where we already lost the control, it is time for the Player to make use of his voice and make CSM say nasty things about their favorite space. The silent resentment towards developing Wormholes is Bullshit and people who say they care but don’t want anything changed can go get their noodle sucked behind a 7/11… Because you can’t say that Wormhole Space is getting bad and just sit on your ass and watch it. We made “the impossible” possible. All “Eve-Media” Persons couldn’t believe that we were able to post 2 CSMs and we did it, **** we almost managed to get a third. Next year if we can there will be three and in its current state Wormholes will keep growing, it is just our decision if we want to interact and be part of its development or just get pushed to the sideline put our legs behind our neck and whisper: “Please be gentle CCP.”

The Ideas proposed in this Topic are a little “extreme” but they grab attention and while everybody can agree of having alliance bookmarks is a good idea, what got them here is a dude on a sandbox shouting at the top of his lungs that you idiots should be part of the development and not just victims, because if not I’m going to get my Wormholes as Anomalies, because you brainwastes just were sitting on your arses and demanded wonders from a team that has a ridicioulous reputation of screwing up on a cataclysmic scale (Sorry CCP with all the love I have for you but it’s a 10 year running gag to say … Never play on patch day). Actually in a perverted and twisted mind like mine it is safe to say that inventing the CSM (besides all the nasty things people said) is to help us communicate to CCP what we “want” and “need” and not just a rely that’s say yeah everything fine over here because it’s not. (By god I don’t say current and past CSM ******, I’m far from that it’s rather we send people into a meatgrinder without backup).

Case and point the sad conditions to test wormhole space on SISI… if I want to quickly test anything, pos features IN A WORMHOLE, or Environmental Effects or what da **** maybe some tricks with capitals.. I have to use TQ out of convenience… and throw 12b into a ******* side for SCIENCE!!!! Sure... I can do that and find things that are broken... but I rather have a crazy testing environment for that, to be even more productive and crazy.
You don’t believe me? I did C5 Escalations with 2 Caps on my own, it takes a little longer but it is possible. Webbing and Target-Painting Drones maybe inferior, but they still can do the trick.
Go a little deeper and the situation gets worse, consistently CCP is showing that all new features are balanced in such a way … that they weren’t tested for Wormholes. In wormholes where every Cap Pilot has this MacGyver-esque fitting habit with COMBAT REFITTING, you give them the ability to refits for 1 Million Isk!!
Think about it, Combat Refits have been so popular within the Wormhole Community that CCP just went with the Axe through it without thinking…

Normally Combat refitting was something that required prep and 1 or 2 Carriers (2 if you want to refit a carrier)…first they castrate the ability to change rigs by increasing its cost (believe me people did and do it) okay… but then they replace the carrier advantage of an SMA with a 1 Million ISK Module, now Wormhole space is combat refitting ALL THE THINGS. What does this mean, you may ask? Well take a Dominix normally you know them as close combat blaster + heavy drones combat (in general) with the latest trend of using Sentries on ALL THE THINGS the mobile depot not only gives you the ability to widen the range of drones you can drop, but you can refit between, sniping, close range, Neuts, smart bombs .. As much as your cargo can hold making you an on field pvp ship jack of all trades (MJD + Warp Core Stabs are still my favorite because F-You). If you are sitting there now and screaming they are not supposed to TOUCH wormhole PvP… welcome to Rubicon stuffs already upside down, it gets worse for dreads.

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HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-12-12 14:21:10 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Your dread is trapped? Because you failed at crashing/scouting... HAHA no problem, here a little scenario for all panicking dread pilots:
You are tackled on a hole by a bubble, now normally given the EHP in that situation you have “quite” some time to fight back.
First you lock the Bubbler with 5 Sebos, refit to webs (given the nature of the bubbler he will be next to you) and shoot, bubbler down. If the bubbler doesn’t go down you refit to Warp Core Stabs and Heavy Neuts get or keep medium guns with ya just to get rid of that sabre… the point being here … it is easy to through a lot of new ways to combat lucky “catches” or sneak approaches.. Making wormholes even safer and safer … by now I would say Wormholes are safer then Low Sec

Wormhole space pvp like we know it died a long time ago and things are constantly changing and it gets worse with every patch we are just sitting on our ass. You are an idiot if you don’t have Warp Core Stabs and Depot with you for every ship. (well frigs maybe silly)


Winthrop only for you I would host a teamspeak session of me "reading" the text :)

Also here the final TLDR in ENGLISH!

Please gentle souls of the wormhole nature (anokis which is still a horrible name) get together and stop bitching about wormholes and start shouting at CCP, with the changes you actually want for this space, because Wormholes are consistently changing without the Players taking any part in it or minor roles. Honestly you guys are worse then Treehuggers, at least they can safe one Tree each.

Look at HighSec, we laugh at them, but they have a better Lobby then we do and I think it's safe to say they should laugh at us.


Player vs CCP Case XY-69:
CCP: "They are ideal for personal and small-gang mining ops, and they provide exceptional convenience when one is traveling in regions where stations are inaccessible or risky to travel to."
Player: "They are ideal for personal and large-gang pvp engagements, and they provide exceptional convenience when one needs to GTFO in situations where you would be normally dead."


ALWAYS SHOOT THE DEPOT!

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Caius Beriat
O'Coin Enterprises
#34 - 2013-12-12 15:11:17 UTC
I'm still having trouble making out this wall of text.

Is this basically the same thread that comes around every few months? We are bored, pew is dead bla bla bla?
HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2013-12-12 15:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: HerrBert
Caius Beriat wrote:
I'm still having trouble making out this wall of text.

Is this basically the same thread that comes around every few months? We are bored, pew is dead bla bla bla?



Nope, although I admit to be bored I m focusing my "anger" at the community for slacking... if you look at it like i do where you have a constant cycle of developments heavily influenced by Addons but without or minor Player input ... we are in a horrible situation and threads like these should come around more often. If you dont like it you dont have to particapate but don't be the fat kid that no one needs anyway, if you think this is bullshit and let it drop to the bottom where it will get locked and vanished but don't feed me free bumps...

also as someone who was at the annual xmas wormhole super blab fest... this time hosted by disavowed i can say PvP isnt dead ... definitly NOT! :D


i would prefer less "Solo Question Threads" in a Teambased Environment but hey we all can't get lucky, also I haven't particapated in any discussions lately because ... well there are no real discussion or new ideas its like you correclty point out the same old same old... but now there is a stupid idiot promoting "WORMHOLES AS ANOMALIES" .. and i will get them if you dont come up with a better solution.


Development is an ongoing process not an "idea" based traffic jam, where you run very quickly for 4 days and then sit down for 5 months.
For example most big corps have "Research Departments" aka the EFT Warriors these guys are crazy, they spend hours on perfecting fittings and breaking rules on TQ and SiSi, with them having proper Access to a "simulated" wormhole enviroment with access to ressources (Fittings, Ships etcs) They can go reaaaally deep and make the current development of wormhole warfare even better, I bet there is still lots of stuff we haven't tried but are limited because of the logistical work that we require to get **** out here.

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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#36 - 2013-12-12 16:44:35 UTC
What's wrong with scanning 17 sigs, that's two to four minutes in an empty pod, more towards 1-2 minutes with implants.

In short: I disagree and think you're one lazy slacker. Wormholes need to be scanned down, or else you'll remove the last bit of unknown we try to hold dear. Wouldn't mind a U-turn regarding the sig-pop-up and wobbling-mechanics though.
Nutmegpainter
Whale Girth
Touched by the Tism
#37 - 2013-12-12 16:45:31 UTC
Damn here herb, did you write this while logged off in our home ?? Big smileCoolRoll
stup idity
#38 - 2013-12-12 16:47:50 UTC
HerrBert wrote:
Honestly you guys are worse then Treehuggers, at least they can safe one Tree each.


Holehuggers, one hole at a time.

I am the Herald of all beings that are me.

HerrBert
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-12-12 18:47:07 UTC
Nutmegpainter wrote:
Damn here herb, did you write this while logged off in our home ?? Big smileCoolRoll



Nope thats when i learned to play the harmonica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33yQZJ49isE

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Nikki Vix
AQUILA INC
#40 - 2013-12-12 19:05:10 UTC
sooo much rabble rabble

as always . . . Jack speaks the truth, the fewer CCP hands in w space the better !!