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Sisters of EVE missions, 180m/hour in high sec, should we nerf it?

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Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#61 - 2013-12-15 03:42:20 UTC
Patri Andari wrote:
Rhivre wrote:
I have heard rumours that there are certain other high sec corps which give an even better conversion rate :)


shush you!



"Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer"

lol I see what you did there.
Stabdealer Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2013-12-15 04:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Stabdealer Tichim
Dont UseYourAlt OnTheForums wrote:
What? A place where people make lots of money and I dont?

NERF PLS, OBVIOUSLY ITS AN EXPLOIT


Why not? Unless you're -10 or get a bunch of killright on you, there is nothing can stop you to grind SOE standing and go empire to make more money than null.

You logic fails at that "when one is proposing a nerf, then it's because he can't do it", suggesting that there is none will try to make the game better without being paid. A native view on the life.


ps: I know there are people trolling, but useful words are useful to anyone, not just you, aren't they? lol
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-12-15 04:21:32 UTC
Stabdealer Tichim wrote:
Waaaaaaaah! Hi-sec! Nerf it!

No you!

If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg

But in purple, I'm stunning!

Trixie Rocks
Gnomes von Zurich
Get Off My Lawn
#64 - 2013-12-15 07:13:22 UTC
Stabdealer Tichim wrote:
Just feel interesting that so many nerds don't know how to push their income higher:

Recon 1 part of 3: done with vigil in 4 minutes, 4m+25m from lp, reject 2 part of 3
Pirate invasion, kill all key rats and then clear battleships, 15 minutes, 4M+8m bounty+23m from lp
Armarr tower shooting mission, done in a tengu, kite the tower in 8 minutes, 4m+20m lp

I'm not writing a mission guide, just some examples.

180m/hour is a quite conservative count, at peak I have made 210m in a hour

The core problem is that many people assume their awkward mission tactic universal. (not rejecting **** missions, killing unnecessary frigates, salvaging frigates, salvaging mission with few battleship rats)



Does anybody have fun playing this game...

I like killing EVERY RAT and looting every ship, then salvage the hulls.......
Stabdealer Tichim
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-12-15 07:41:35 UTC
Trixie Rocks wrote:


Does anybody have fun playing this game...

I like killing EVERY RAT and looting every ship, then salvage the hulls.......


You can have your odd fun by shooting every rat, but then you can't use "I wanna have fun in this way so getting 180m/hour is impossible" to disprove the fact that people can get much better reward from the same agent as yours.

If you're "not going to disagree with the said hourly reward", then you don't have the initial position to reply, cheers lol.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#66 - 2013-12-15 07:59:28 UTC
We have been pointing out this imbalance in risk/reward for years now.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#67 - 2013-12-15 08:08:46 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
LoL so this is one of the another threads "BAAAW someone is making more than I= nerf it"

So why dont you take your PvE ship and do it to? The more people will do that, the less they make from BPC.

Just look at the prices of Rattlesnake in comparison to Nightmare for example (pure nullsec PvE)

Its not game mechanics that determines profit from BPC manufacture. Mechanics just determines basic LP / ISK costs of BPC.

Those pathetic nullbears, lacks the basic knowledge of economics.
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2013-12-15 08:15:31 UTC
Pretty meaningless if you look at it fully.

This will not last.

Look at when the Noctis was released - how much did they sell for in the first few weeks? Then they started dropping in price.

Every time something new and of value comes out, it starts with a steep price tag then drops as the market fills up and fleshes out - while they are still being put up for sale. It's normal to see a spike in value at the start then a drop-off.
Digital Messiah
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#69 - 2013-12-15 08:40:08 UTC
I for one like the idea of people mass running soe missions. It means cheaper probes, launchers, and ships. Cheers

Something clever

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2013-12-15 08:40:56 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
LoL so this is one of the another threads "BAAAW someone is making more than I= nerf it"

So why dont you take your PvE ship and do it to? The more people will do that, the less they make from BPC.



We already do.

Simple fact is that its just not worth doing PVE in null for most of us due to the fact that high sec offers the same isk or more for much much less risk and effort.
Kate stark
#71 - 2013-12-15 08:55:32 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
LoL so this is one of the another threads "BAAAW someone is making more than I= nerf it"

So why dont you take your PvE ship and do it to? The more people will do that, the less they make from BPC.



We already do.

Simple fact is that its just not worth doing PVE in null for most of us due to the fact that high sec offers the same isk or more for much much less risk and effort.


and this is why I've never managed to stick around in null for longer than about a month at a time; it's just never worth all of the hassle.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

TharOkha
0asis Group
#72 - 2013-12-15 09:36:17 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
baltec1 wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
LoL so this is one of the another threads "BAAAW someone is making more than I= nerf it"

So why dont you take your PvE ship and do it to? The more people will do that, the less they make from BPC.



We already do.

Simple fact is that its just not worth doing PVE in null for most of us due to the fact that high sec offers the same isk or more for much much less risk and effort.


Hmm. Then maybe i should stop doing Sansha missions with my alt in Stain where i earn much more than navy L4s in hisec..

more effort? Yes..., More risk? yes..., Better rewards? Yes.... i dont see your problem dude. Earning in null is not just about mechanics, its also about your skills and know-hows. ISKies are already there, you just dont know how to milk them. I understand that your coalition dont have nullsec L4s like Stain, but you have moons, you have rental programs, you have upgraded systems etc... But regions should be different with different isk opportunities. And it amazes me that you, as a member of CFC, is calling for isk earning balance in all regions when you were first to be outraged from moon balance in oddysey (as you lost monopole on certain moon goo-s)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2013-12-15 09:39:04 UTC
"Should we nerf it?"
You're not CCP, so why are you asking?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#74 - 2013-12-15 09:47:55 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
TharOkha wrote:


Hmm. Then maybe i should stop doing Sansha missions with my alt in Stain where i earn much more than navy L4s in hisec..

more effort? Yes..., More risk? yes..., Better rewards? Yes.... i dont see your problem dude. Earning in null is not just about mechanics, its also about your skills and know-hows. ISKies are already there, you just dont know how to milk them. I understand that your coalition dont have nullsec L4s like Stain, but you have moons, you have rental programs, you have upgraded systems etc... But regions should be different with different isk opportunities. And it amazes me that you, as a member of CFC, is calling for isk earning balance in all regions when you were first to be outraged from moon balance in oddysey (as you lost monopole on certain moon goo-s)


We were pushing for the tech nerf for years.

The problem is that there are only a handfull of lvl 4 missions in all of null space and none of them in sov space. The vast bulk of null only have anoms and of them only a handfull of systems are good even after upgrading. The income from even the best of these anom systems provide isk that is on par with high sec level 4s or in the case of incurstions, less. Then on top of this you get the nasty snag that is there is only a limited supply per system at any one time so we get issues when we get over ten people per system. So on the whole, why bother spending trillions upgrading our space when high sec offers the same income for much less risk, effort, cost and an infinite supply?

The problem is that for the past decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its pve income, often with good reason but high sec missions have never been nerfed to keep the balance, they have infact been buffed. Your little honeypot is not the norm for null space.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#75 - 2013-12-15 09:58:17 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
baltec1 wrote:

We were pushing for the tech nerf for years.

The problem is that there are only a handfull of lvl 4 missions in all of null space and none of them in sov space. The vast bulk of null only have anoms and of them only a handfull of systems are good even after upgrading. The income from even the best of these anom systems provide isk that is on par with high sec level 4s or in the case of incurstions, less.

The problem is that for the past decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its pve income, often with good reason but high sec missions have never been nerfed to keep the balance, they have infact been buffed. Your little honeypot is not the norm for null space.


Again.. sov nullsec is about alliance, about atn-like colonies that earns together (moons, rental program, coalition market, etc). While npc null is great opportunities for solo/small corps. Yes PvE in sov null sucks (or its in par with hisec L4 with greater risk) im with you with that. But you, as sov null holder/member, you have to look for another type of isk income.

You just cannot have all types of isk income in sov null (or any type of null/empire).
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#76 - 2013-12-15 10:02:40 UTC
TharOkha wrote:


Again.. sov nullsec is about alliance, about atn-like colonies that earns together (moons, rental program, coalition market, etc). While npc null is great opportunities for solo/small corps. Yes PvE in sov null sucks (or its in par with hisec L4 with greater risk) im with you with that. But you, as sov null holder/member, you have to look for another type of isk income.

You cannot have all types of isk income.


So we find ourselves making a great chunk of our alliances isk and most of our members find themselves making their own isk outside of our empire...

It begs the question what is the point in owning space if its near useless? Why would a newer allaince want to invade us and build up a systems infrastructure if they can earn the same or more in empire for zero cost and effort?

Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#77 - 2013-12-15 10:12:44 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

We were pushing for the tech nerf for years.

The problem is that there are only a handfull of lvl 4 missions in all of null space and none of them in sov space. The vast bulk of null only have anoms and of them only a handfull of systems are good even after upgrading. The income from even the best of these anom systems provide isk that is on par with high sec level 4s or in the case of incurstions, less.

The problem is that for the past decade null has seen nerf after nerf to its pve income, often with good reason but high sec missions have never been nerfed to keep the balance, they have infact been buffed. Your little honeypot is not the norm for null space.


Again.. sov nullsec is about alliance, about atn-like colonies that earns together (moons, rental program, coalition market, etc). While npc null is great opportunities for solo/small corps. Yes PvE in sov null sucks (or its in par with hisec L4 with greater risk) im with you with that. But you, as sov null holder/member, you have to look for another type of isk income.

You just cannot have all types of isk income in sov null (or any type of null/empire).


aye, but in practice most sov null is flyover territory. My system technically supports 1 player in style. 3 players would become pretty harsh and grindy. NPC null can't really support a population of players more than 1-2 / system.

There seems to be this disjoint between people that blahblah forsaken hubs all day, when my system would spawn 1 forsaken hub at military 5. Not even enough to chain them. So when you go sit down and work out how many systems can support 15 players earning good isk at a time in null (less than 100), and then you go think about mission hubs with 50+ people in system, and how many there are...


TharOkha
0asis Group
#78 - 2013-12-15 10:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
baltec1 wrote:
TharOkha wrote:


Again.. sov nullsec is about alliance, about atn-like colonies that earns together (moons, rental program, coalition market, etc). While npc null is great opportunities for solo/small corps. Yes PvE in sov null sucks (or its in par with hisec L4 with greater risk) im with you with that. But you, as sov null holder/member, you have to look for another type of isk income.

You cannot have all types of isk income.


So we find ourselves making a great chunk of our alliances isk and most of our members find themselves making their own isk outside of our empire...

It begs the question what is the point in owning space if its near useless? Why would a newer allaince want to invade us and build up a systems infrastructure if they can earn the same or more in empire for zero cost and effort?


Well thats the question for you coalition leaders and mainly.....for yourself...

Are you in sov null just to make isk for yourself or are you there to help community and make headlines in various gaming/economic magazines?

You just need a different point of view at sov null. Sov null is like socialism.. You dont earn much as solo, but you earn for community and community rewards you with CTA free ships (capitals included), huge friendly community, you make headlines, you make history of EVE, etc... Hisec and Jita is like pure capitalism.. Solo players are billionaires, but they dont care about community and maybe they dont have as much excitement as you in sov null.

Its just question for yourself.. Do you want make isks or do you want be a part of history and have fun.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#79 - 2013-12-15 10:34:05 UTC
TharOkha wrote:


Its just question for yourself if you want make just isks or if you want to have just fun..


I come from a time when null did provide more reward.


This isn't about why we are in null its about why would new people want to be in null and fight very expensive wars to take space and spend hundreds of billions in upgrading it for no more reward than you find in high sec where you get more for free. Nullsec has been stagnating for years with very few new groups on the block mostly because there is nothing to be gained from taking and holding the vast bulk of sov out there. The systems simply cannot support alliances and literally require small alliances to set up alts in high sec to fund themselves.

This is one of the big reasons why we see no small alliances out here holding just one system without being part of a much bigger group such as the CFC or N3. Risk/reward is massively broken and has been for years.
TharOkha
0asis Group
#80 - 2013-12-15 10:52:22 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
baltec1 wrote:
TharOkha wrote:


Its just question for yourself if you want make just isks or if you want to have just fun..


I come from a time when null did provide more reward.

This isn't about why we are in null its about why would new people want to be in null and fight very expensive wars to take space and spend hundreds of billions in upgrading it for no more reward than you find in high sec where you get more for free. Nullsec has been stagnating for years with very few new groups on the block mostly because there is nothing to be gained from taking and holding the vast bulk of sov out there. The systems simply cannot support alliances and literally require small alliances to set up alts in high sec to fund themselves.

This is one of the big reasons why we see no small alliances out here holding just one system without being part of a much bigger group such as the CFC or N3. Risk/reward is massively broken and has been for years.


Ok so we can end this discussion that sov null needs some kind of buff like community earning activities, which should be much much better that making isks in empire. (like incursions, you cannot make them solo, you need community but they rewards you much more than soloing L4s). So holding even a single sov would be impulse for empire players to fight for sov as an community and not solo..

But i will never support idea that sov-null should have equal or better solo pve isk opportunities as rest of new eden. sov null should be about community earnings and yes it should yield more than making isks with alts in empire..