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THE END TO AFK MINING?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#141 - 2013-12-12 01:51:14 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
[quote=Xuixien]

At least you spelled Genius correct. And your thread will probably be moved to Features & Ideas, where it should have been made in the first place. Blink


Wow, this is really about being evil. You know too well moving a post to F&I is worse than deleting it and banning its OP Pirate

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#142 - 2013-12-12 01:56:14 UTC
Casanunda wrote:
Name another game where you can harvest resources while not actually playing the game.


To be honest, you can't name another game with a worse PvE or harvesting. Players must do those things to earn some ISK but they are so terrible that nobody with a sane mind would really want to do them manually.

It's terrible and boring game design lasting since a decade.

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Arancar Australis
Dead Sun Rising Enterprises
#143 - 2013-12-12 02:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Arancar Australis
It is amazing how much time people put into how others play a gameRoll

One of the great concepts of this game is that it is open to play it in the way that each person wishes, whether it be an AFK miner, a ganker, a leader of corp...the list goes on. From this concept comes the ability to do something about a play style you may not agree with.

The opponents of the AFK crowd basically state that it affects the content of the game. Really? I didn't know that all those AFK miners affect the fighting in Nullsec Shocked If i log in to a system that no one else is around and decide to AFK mine, why is that such an issue to you the ganker, as i am playing the game as i see fit.

The oppenents of the gankers of AFK miners state that they should be left alone as they do not want to pvp. Rally? I didn't realise that you signed up to a game that has one of it's core precepts is PVP. If i log in to that same system, AFK mine and ganked, i suck it up and laugh and say well played.

Really if you are so worried about how someone that you do not know, has no direct affect on what you do and how you play the game...why the concern? Just play the game.
Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2013-12-12 02:11:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Casanunda
loco coco wrote:
Casanunda wrote:
long assed pyramid quote


This made me chuckle. EvE is not a PvP game. Planetside 2? That is a PvP game, because it is literally the only thing to do. EvE if what you make it. There's mining, missioning, ratting, pvp, production, PI, moon harvesting, SOV/POS bashing, and many other things. EvE is an MMO. It is what you make it. YOUR game may be all about PvP, but someone elses game may be all about mining. If that makes them happy, fine. If PvP'ing makes you happy, fine. If suicide ganking people to try to laugh at someone elses misfortune gets you off, you're a douche, but fine.
Eve most definitely is a PvP game, it's a sandbox with a PvP element which is not restricted to shooting each other in the face, which is why many of us play it. Being a sandbox there's no real way of preventing someone forcing PvP on you, short of never undocking. Even then you're not completely immune if you use the market or contracts, ergo it's a PvP game.

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No one has the right to tell someone that their play style is wrong. We all pay for the game. We all choose to put effort into what makes the game for us. Stop complaining about how you don't like someone elses play style.Don't like AFK mining? Stay out of highsec.

I DARE someone to explain to me why they have the right to say someone elses play style is wrong. You honestly can't.
Where did I say that a playstyle was wrong? I merely pointed out the risks associated with that particular playstyle.

I admitted earlier, in either this thread or another, that afk mining is a valid playstyle, just not necessarily a good one. AFK mining in itself provides a playstyle for suicide gankers, suicide gankers provide a ready market for ships and modules, for both mining and ganking, which in turn provides miners and industrialists with a potential income source. Sometimes the gankers and the people mining the minerals, producing the ships and modules then selling them via the market or contract are the same people, I believe the technical term is "aggressive marketing campaign".

Yes I think that it's terrible that people are able or want to play Eve afk, it's wasted on them. Mining is boring, some people enjoy it, weirdos P. I've done my fair share of it, most people have, we know it's boring. Some take advantage of the fact that it's boring, and things explode. Thus a PvP game.

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Don't like AFK mining? Stay out of highsec.
Highsec is the industrial centre of Eve, it's where the markets are, it's where the money is to be made. Nearly everything in Eve ends up going via the highsec trade hubs, usually Jita. Even with personal and corporate use of materials, and the manufacture of caps and supercaps, the supply chain routes through high sec in one way or another, from BPO to finished product.

So please do explain, why should I, and others, restrict our gameplay options to satisfy the wants of a bunch of people that can't even be bothered to be paying attention to the game they're playing?

The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle.
Casanunda
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#145 - 2013-12-12 02:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Casanunda
Joia Crenca wrote:
Casanunda wrote:
The great thing about threads like this? People putting themselves on the list of future victims of suicide ganking.



I'm guessing Voltaire isn't a member of your corp.

People can say what they want, within reason I'll probably defend their right to so. However, I don't have to agree with it. Without differences of opinion there would be no discussion.

The quote you used is a probable outcome, some people enjoy the opportunities offered by the sandbox and use it to reward what they see as "bad posting", which can include everything from stupid ideas to ignoring the advice of people who know what they're talking about. I expect to see it happen to a number of posters. Knowing my luck I'll be one of them Evil

The fact that I am not a gazillionaire Gallente aristocrat with the sexual capacity of a rutting rhino is a constant niggle.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2013-12-12 08:00:43 UTC
Casanunda wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
If a miner for example, chooses to go afk, and their ship is ganked, then that is the price they pay.

So long as said miner accepts this, there is no problem.

Much as I hate giving you a like that statement is true enough, unfortunately many afk miners don't accept that destruction is a possibility. As far as they're concerned their ships should be sacrosanct because they're "not affecting anyone else", which is a blatant falsehood.

so, why does this justify you telling them to "go **** themselves", they want to play AFK, if they get ganked, they will either learn to watch better, or stop playing, but outright saying "hey, you know this boring as **** thing, well now your not allowed to alt-tab for even 5 minutes cause MINIGAMES, ACTIIVITY, OH SO ENGAGING, loook at these 30 extra cliks we added for you to get roughly the same isk/hr as before!"

every activity in EVE caters to a playstyle, mining caters to those that have other **** to do than living in a video game, some people have thigns going on literally preventing them from sitting their with eyes glued to the screen, like a baby or a new dog that isnt potty trained.

and forcing activity wont do **** to "keep them from getting ganked", even tanked, if someone wants a mining ship dead, it WILL die, whether theya re active or not. so your entire point is pointless
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#147 - 2013-12-12 09:05:04 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
and forcing activity wont do **** to "keep them from getting ganked", even tanked, if someone wants a mining ship dead, it WILL die, whether theya re active or not. so your entire point is pointless

Need more mining ship buffs?

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#148 - 2013-12-12 09:17:01 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
and forcing activity wont do **** to "keep them from getting ganked", even tanked, if someone wants a mining ship dead, it WILL die, whether theya re active or not. so your entire point is pointless

Need more mining ship buffs?

no, people just need to learn that mining near trade hubs is generally not smart, and mining anywhere that can be considered a "target rich environment" is like dressing up as a dear in the woods during hunting season.
Bobby Frutt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#149 - 2013-12-12 09:19:00 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

Ganking is the solution to AFK mining. It brings tears and causes much harsher consequences to AFKing the game.
My 9 million ISK Procurer that requires a minimum of 4 Thrashers to gank in 0.5 is my anti-tear. I'll be laughing at you when you drop a minimum of 12 million to take out my 9 million. :D

You'll see me AFK, come check me out.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#150 - 2013-12-12 09:27:14 UTC
Bobby Frutt wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
I'd suggest next time, just replace the lightbulb.

Ganking is the solution to AFK mining. It brings tears and causes much harsher consequences to AFKing the game.
My 9 million ISK Procurer that requires a minimum of 4 Thrashers to gank in 0.5 is my anti-tear. I'll be laughing at you when you drop a minimum of 12 million to take out my 9 million. :D

You'll see me AFK, come check me out.

afk procurers huh...

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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#151 - 2013-12-12 12:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
Xuixien wrote:
I just had a lightbulb go off.

What if every barge got an extra high slot, which was a "hardpoint" for a certain module.

Call it the "Harvester Yield Actuation Device" or something.

It has a 1 minute cycle and does not repeat. When it's on, your mining yield is normal (what it currently is). When it's offline, your mining yield drops in half.

Miners who wanted to AFK would get **** income and thus not AFK as much.

Genius.

INB4 this has already been suggested.

Do you realize CCP already hugely nerfed afk mining by removing the static ice belts and buffing null sec minerals? Ice belts with 100 afk mackinaws are a thing of the past.


GetSirrus wrote:
a simple solution: disable auto cycle on strip mining lasers.

is that too difficult a concept for some? maybe I need to draw a graph or diagram?

This mechanic is already implemented indirectly: Many asteroids in highsec are small and thus depleted in 1 cycle. Only in 0.5 systems it is worth afk mining, but those systems are often roamed by suicide gankers. The only way to stay "safe" when afk mining is to put on a massive tank on your barge, but that ruins your yield. And even then you can always be bumped and you can do nothing about it, except logging off or doing something else until the bumpers get bored and leave.

Mining is already boring and griefers have serveral easy ways to harrass miners, we dont need additional mechanics or minigames that make mining even more tedious.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2013-12-12 12:53:32 UTC
Xuixien wrote:


I actually would not be opposed to that - so long as there was a "grace period" of like 15-30 seconds where your cloak would "decay", during which time you could still re-active that moduled while remaining undetected.

We need a mechanic that automatically undocks you if you do not press a button every 60 seconds. You'd of course also get a 15 - 30 seconds "grace" time so you can abort the undock sequence.

Also we need docking fuel and a docking fee payable in ISK, aurum or plex... Roll

Lets not forgett, player owned stargates in Highsec, just imagine the fun you could have when people could enter jita but not leave. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#153 - 2013-12-12 13:14:18 UTC
Pheota Sansu wrote:
I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.


Yeah, last time CCP announced where minerals came from, its was not like reprocessing gave by far the most minerals... Or wait, it was!
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#154 - 2013-12-12 14:13:51 UTC
Grunanca wrote:
Pheota Sansu wrote:
I am in no way defending afk miners, I dont do it myself, on the rare occasions I do mine I am at the screen. But what all these people dont realise is that if all the miners stopped mining, like so many people seem to want, where would the minerals for your ships come from? Reprocessing scrap only gives so much.


Yeah, last time CCP announced where minerals came from, its was not like reprocessing gave by far the most minerals... Or wait, it was!



Was that because of drone goo reprocessing or was this after that change?
Helios Aquiness
Perkone
Caldari State
#155 - 2013-12-12 14:16:36 UTC
The solotion to AFK mining is to make mining more interactive. Like hacking is now.
Carebear? Im a brony, motherf***er.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#156 - 2013-12-12 14:17:56 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
The solotion to AFK mining is to make mining more interactive. Like hacking is now.


Oh God.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#157 - 2013-12-12 14:20:30 UTC
Helios Aquiness wrote:
The solotion to AFK mining is to make mining more interactive. Like hacking is now.


When you mine long enough, it becomes interactive. Yes, as you lose your mind, the asteroids begin to talk to you and you give them names!
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#158 - 2013-12-12 15:14:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Xuixien
Arancar Australis wrote:
It is amazing how much time people put into how others play a gameRoll


People put a lot of time into how I play my game (suicide ganking). There's always some whinethread about it on the forums!

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Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#159 - 2013-12-12 15:27:56 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
[quote=Arancar Australis]It is amazing how much time people put into how others play a gameRoll

People put a lot of time into how I play my game (suicide ganking). There's always some whinethread about it on the forums!



A little omission there... that whole 'non-consensual' involvement of others in your game. Kind of like forcing a game of basketball by surprise grabbing a passerby and putting *them* into the basketball net and then being surprised when they complain about 'how you play basketball' or 'assault' or something like that.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#160 - 2013-12-12 16:09:36 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
[quote=Arancar Australis]It is amazing how much time people put into how others play a gameRoll

People put a lot of time into how I play my game (suicide ganking). There's always some whinethread about it on the forums!



A little omission there... that whole 'non-consensual' involvement of others in your game. Kind of like forcing a game of basketball by surprise grabbing a passerby and putting *them* into the basketball net and then being surprised when they complain about 'how you play basketball' or 'assault' or something like that.


But if you really think about it... they weren't even playing the game if I ganked them while they were AFK....

*twilight zone music*

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