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CCP Favoring multiple accounts screws the Soloist.

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#21 - 2013-12-10 18:29:14 UTC
Phaade wrote:
Title.

Stop favoring multiple alts.

It's impossible to PvP successfully when everyone i fight has an arty thrasher alt, or links, or falcon alts, or cloaky alts, or ______ alt in a hawk, or sniper talos, or any other horse **** where 1 ship is designed to do X, while the 2nd ship is designed to do Y. X and Y = **** for the soloist. Since this game is, truly, based on PvP, this is problematic for a lot of us.

The advantages are staggering. No I'm not turning this game into a cable bill. And no, I can't always play when my friends play.


Funny that someone with the ability to be in 2, 3, 4, or 5 places at once has an advantage over those who are stuck in one.


It's a major part of their business strategy, I'm not sure they can stop.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#22 - 2013-12-10 18:54:33 UTC
I'm kind of curious as to what makes OP so sure that everyone else is multiboxing multiple combat ships instead of the far more likely scenario that other people are flying with friends.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#23 - 2013-12-10 19:04:26 UTC
Varesk wrote:
You could get an alt yourself or find some friends that are online when you are. Limiting the accts players can use is a bad idea.


Two things about this statement


  1. If the proposed solution is "get one yourself" - then there's probably a balance issue.
  2. Limiting the amount of accounts players can use is in fact a terrible idea.

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Jill Chastot
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Goonswarm Federation
#24 - 2013-12-10 19:08:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jill Chastot
CCP doesn't favour the soloist, CCP doesn't favour the multi accounter. CCP favours the smartest.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#25 - 2013-12-10 19:16:17 UTC
Lots of people also have friends/corp mates who provide all the functionality you seem to think only comes from alts.

Plot twist: Everyone on voice comms in big fleet fights is actually just 1 guy with voice changing software.

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Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#26 - 2013-12-10 19:27:01 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Lots of people also have friends/corp mates who provide all the functionality you seem to think only comes from alts.

Plot twist: Everyone on voice comms in big fleet fights is actually just 1 guy with voice changing software.


there are actually only two people playing EVE: OP, and myself + hundreds of thousands of alts.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#27 - 2013-12-10 19:35:10 UTC
Rhivre wrote:
Lots of people also have friends/corp mates who provide all the functionality you seem to think only comes from alts.

Plot twist: Everyone on voice comms in big fleet fights is actually just 1 guy with voice changing software.


Damn. It. That means the conversation i had last night with a female incursion FC wasn't flirting, it was masturbation.....Oh well, it was still good.
Foodpimp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-12-10 19:35:19 UTC
Thought topic said "Socialists"..moving along
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#29 - 2013-12-10 19:42:07 UTC
I have only come across one person that multiboxes PvP ships, and he's a ganker who targets ships that can't shoot back. General, meaning not a gank and not in a blob, PvP is hectic and controlling multiple ships of varying types is more difficult than controlling a single ship. But I was once like you, swearing up and down that I'd only have one account and that having more is lame. Now I have 3. The utility of having multiple accounts is great, but I wouldn't want to fly them both into a fight at the same time.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#30 - 2013-12-10 19:56:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Phaade wrote:
Utter Drivel

CCP don't favour multiple alt accounts over single accounts, it favours multiple people over individuals. The real world often works in the same way, teamwork is nearly always a better way to get a task done than struggling to do it solo.

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Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-12-10 20:43:44 UTC
OP is right. Solo PvP was already hard without people running alts and rightly so. This is a team game and should remain so. But if one player can't compete with another player because that player chooses to pay more money then something is clearly wrong.
Foodpimp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2013-12-10 20:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Foodpimp
Whim Aqayn wrote:
OP is right. Solo PvP was already hard without people running alts and rightly so. This is a team game and should remain so. But if one player can't compete with another player because that player chooses to pay more money then something is clearly wrong.


CCP exists to make a profit. You want to penalize people that have a better isk revenue stream, or make more money then you in real life and choose to dedicate those funds to their hobby, so you can more easily solo pvp? I'm sorry, but that makes little sense. If this game was run by volunteers then I can see your point. Otherwise it's a silly arguement.
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2013-12-10 20:51:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Whim Aqayn
Foodpimp wrote:
Whim Aqayn wrote:
OP is right. Solo PvP was already hard without people running alts and rightly so. This is a team game and should remain so. But if one player can't compete with another player because that player chooses to pay more money then something is clearly wrong.


CCP exists to make a profit. You want to penalize people that have a better isk revenue stream, or make more money then you in real life and choose to dedicate those funds to their hobby, so you can more easily solo pvp? I'm sorry, but that makes little sense. This this game was run by volunteers then I can see your point. Otherwise it's a silly arguement.

I want to keep intact the integrity of the game. With multiple alts the integrity of the game is compromised as it becomes a spending war over anything else.
When people realise that they lose not because their opponents had a superior in-game strategy, but because they spent a multitude more money then they will leave as there is no more game for them to play.
Foodpimp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-12-10 21:14:55 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
Foodpimp wrote:
Whim Aqayn wrote:
OP is right. Solo PvP was already hard without people running alts and rightly so. This is a team game and should remain so. But if one player can't compete with another player because that player chooses to pay more money then something is clearly wrong.


CCP exists to make a profit. You want to penalize people that have a better isk revenue stream, or make more money then you in real life and choose to dedicate those funds to their hobby, so you can more easily solo pvp? I'm sorry, but that makes little sense. This this game was run by volunteers then I can see your point. Otherwise it's a silly arguement.

I want to keep intact the integrity of the game. With multiple alts the integrity of the game is compromised as it becomes a spending war over anything else.
When people realise that they lose not because their opponents had a superior in-game strategy, but because they spent a multitude more money then they will leave as there is no more game for them to play.



As long as multiple accounts outpace the handful of people that quit due to their frustration of others having multiple accounts, this will be a non-issue. You have no real interest in the "integrity" of the game, but rather want it fashioned to maximize your method of play. I can understand that, but it's at odds with the main purpose of CCP's existence. If you had the capacity or desire to play with multiple accounts, I doubt you would have even responded to this topic.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2013-12-10 21:17:06 UTC
Shut up and learn how to solo.

I'm really sick of these whines. First of all, anyone using multiple accounts simultaneously has much more multitasking to do than the single-account holder they are fighting. A friend of mine who multiboxes managed to kill his own scout alt the other day.

Secondly, what exactly are you complaining about? That it's just as easy for people to get together and blob you as it is for someone to use multiple accounts to fight you? Welcome to EVE, an MMO, where if you fly solo, you are probably, occasionally, going to come up against multiple opponents. And in fact, the whole multitasking thing a multiboxer has to do when fighting you makes them easier to beat than a blob of multiple players focused on a single ship each.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-12-10 21:18:27 UTC
Whim Aqayn wrote:
Foodpimp wrote:
Whim Aqayn wrote:
OP is right. Solo PvP was already hard without people running alts and rightly so. This is a team game and should remain so. But if one player can't compete with another player because that player chooses to pay more money then something is clearly wrong.


CCP exists to make a profit. You want to penalize people that have a better isk revenue stream, or make more money then you in real life and choose to dedicate those funds to their hobby, so you can more easily solo pvp? I'm sorry, but that makes little sense. This this game was run by volunteers then I can see your point. Otherwise it's a silly arguement.

I want to keep intact the integrity of the game. With multiple alts the integrity of the game is compromised as it becomes a spending war over anything else.
When people realise that they lose not because their opponents had a superior in-game strategy, but because they spent a multitude more money then they will leave as there is no more game for them to play.


These people will always leave as they can never compete in the end. This is a multiplayer game with an emphasis on teamwork. That solo PvPer will eventually get bored of the very limited gameplay surrounding solo PvP regardless of how many alts I might have. This isn't a game that rewards kill streaks or K/D ratios. The solo player will quickly come up against a wall beyond which are all of the game mechanics which require group play. How many solo PvPers own Sov, control a system or do anything that creates content for others?
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#37 - 2013-12-10 21:19:39 UTC
ElQuirko wrote:
"Soloists", in a MULTIPLAYER online game, are destined to lose by default.


oh lawd this argument again


OP, I can do more stuff solo in EvE than any other game , don't know what you're on about.

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Eve Cluster Explorations
#38 - 2013-12-10 21:24:09 UTC
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Flying Dangerous
#39 - 2013-12-10 21:24:38 UTC
Anomaly One wrote:


OP, I can do more stuff solo in EvE than any other game , don't know what you're on about.


Totally agree and that includes all aspects of the game. Successful solo play is just as possible as successful teamwork and both are rewarding.
E-2C Hawkeye
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#40 - 2013-12-10 21:29:36 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Tippia wrote:
Phaade wrote:
Stop favoring multiple alts.
In what way are they favouring multiple alts?



Try reading his post again I think he explained how he feels they are being favored. He can type the words but he cant make you comprehend it. I would guess you did understand what he meant but are just replying in your typical tippia BS reply of using alot of typed words to mean or say nothing.