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Nullsec NiNjA Plexing: Next Level Ninja Master Guide
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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-11-07 03:10:19 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
ok but what exactly are you ninjaing? do you kill plex runners and loot the stuff or are you just doing exploration in territory from someone else?



Umm its the first question and answer in his first post?
Mnemosyne Gloob
#22 - 2011-11-07 10:53:45 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
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5. immediately after hitting cloak, hit the mwd[/snip]


Would like to expand on this. You should definately practice the whole procedure to master it. At first it might be better to hit mwd and then cloak. Assign both to F1 and F2 and when you get the whole thing down just press both together. Hitting mwd after cloak sounds couterintuitive, but if you do it sorta immediately it will work. Oh and it might exctract some angry responses form the locals :)

Nice writeup tho.

I just don't understand why you don't like magnetometrics in null - to me they seem better than the radars, but that's maybe just personal experience.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2011-11-07 11:17:05 UTC
Thanks. I enjoyed the posting, will read it a few more times, and may well give this a try one day soon.

The mwd-cloak-warp trick is a variation I've not used and I'll practice that one next time I'm in hisec. Sound svery handy.

Thanks again, and well done.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#24 - 2011-11-07 11:21:36 UTC
Very interesting.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-11-07 14:45:50 UTC
Thanks for the support. Added more tips in my 3rd post. The guide is pretty much 100% now, but I will keep adding as I keep learning.
YellowToe
Northern Nomads
#26 - 2011-11-07 18:05:50 UTC
Thanks. I've been wanting a excuse to play with my vexor again.

poor vexor...just sitting there, collecting space dust.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2011-11-07 18:07:37 UTC
i used to ninja rat and solo sanctums in my vexor ages ago Big smile

stick to low sec exploration with the vex, much less stressful.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#28 - 2011-11-08 04:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Awesome guide! It's exactly what I've been looking for as I've wanted to mess around with 0.0 plexing for quite a while.

I put together the suggested fit in EFT:

[Ishtar, 0.0 Ninja Plexer]
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

10MN Afterburner II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Codebreaker I
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I


Garde II x5
Warden II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5


I'm showing 3 mins, 45 seconds at all V skills running the AB, MAR and hardeners. It goes stable with the AB off.

Does anyone have a good Vexor fit for 'ninja' sanctums/ratting in low sec?

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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2011-11-08 16:22:04 UTC
it would be something similar to the Ishtar fit. you'll need the 2/2/1 drone loadout, and an afterburner to speed tank. you'll really have to keep your range, and im not sure if you can do Gurista sanctums. but Serps u can for sure, just slowly and carefully.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-09 04:34:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Derath Ellecon
I know it becomes a bit more of a low sec loot pinata, but I have enjoyed a Navy Vexor for plexing. Realistically I haven't found pirates to feel differently about what I fly, they will try to gank regardless.

[Vexor Navy Issue, Low sec plex]

Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Ion Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Prototype Cloaking Device I

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II

Medium Armor Repairer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x2
Ogre II x3


It's cap stable at 30% with everything running, including guns. Does 451 DPS with my skills. Blasters can deal with frigs while drones kill everything else. You can go with 4x Ogre's but it only changes the DPS by about 4. Tanks 218DPS against serpentis setup this way. Speed of 444m/s

I've thought about dropping a cap recharger for a web, but I like being cap stable without worrying about pulsing anything.

Edit.

I should say I also have a cloaky scanner alt that does my scanning, hacking, analyzing. Otherwise you could swap the cloak for a probe launcher. Similar you could adjust the mids for a codebreaker. Either way, this is primarily for combat sites.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2011-11-09 08:12:30 UTC
looks good. i hope your alt is scouting all gates ahead of time because you wont be able to do the cloak-mwd-warp successfully before getting instalocked by a hictor. i would actually load up 4 Warden II's.
117654
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2011-11-09 12:21:11 UTC
Anyone got any minmatar ships/fittings that would work for this? im lacking in the gallente ship skills department :P
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2011-11-09 14:01:55 UTC
Hungry Eyes wrote:
looks good. i hope your alt is scouting all gates ahead of time because you wont be able to do the cloak-mwd-warp successfully before getting instalocked by a hictor. i would actually load up 4 Warden II's.



Yes of course.

My situation honestly may be a bit unique compared to many looking for information in this post, so I will throw it out. I currently reside in a wormhole with a low sec static. This is what got me into more low sec sec exploration as I end up in some very interesting places, a new one every day.

So I always have my home base close at hand. I have a number of ships I use depending on the nature of the sites to run, as well as the threat level in the area. I will use everything from an ishkur through myrmidon (Ishtar in another 14 days woot!)

Typically I will send out the scanning alt to scan several systems in the area ahead of time, and then bring out the site running ship once I have determined what things I can safely run.
Ikonia
Royal Amarr Expeditions
#34 - 2011-11-10 12:41:54 UTC
A few cents from me. As my profession is exploration, i learned a bit, too.

The best start for an experienced explorer are the systems which connect HiSec to LoSec. While having a station in HiSec you are not limited to use LoSec Stations where you most likely will be ganked on exit by mindless wannabepirates. Scan down the whole area and follow every signal you get. About a few days from start you will have a good point of view, about the who, what and where.

Consider this region as your homebase. Until you know the habits and the people, pirates and carebears and the LoSec systems you can clear all signals. Estimate income varies but lf you are consitently doing it a few hundred millions per week are possible. On weekends most HiSec signals are down, due to increasing population, but LoSec is the option then.

Before scanning, make safe points. Dont use the typical points like 100km away from star or so. Travel from there an amount you prefer away and use these spots for scanning. A lot of the pirates warp to the center (star) and scan from there. Within 150km distance u can see them and recognize, your being probed. When u have out your own probes, cloak as soon as they are out 2km range. You can remain cloaked while scanning.

When u have enough experience on that you can also start to pin down WHs. Why? THIS is the perfect option for Ninja-Plexing. When u have found one leading to HiSec, LowSec or NullSec u can consider it as another "stargate". This gives u the option to jump into systems far away while not having the troubles with wannabepriates and angree bees on the way to there. And if the WH is in highsec which is in your home region, you are battling on your own grounds. Warp through, bookmark entry position WH and start scanning in the target system, if it is not too dangerous.

Further i always have my second account with me. If it is a logistic, bomber, transporter or carrier i need, i have always te fitting ship in background, and i leave it cloaked drifting on a safespot while i pin down interesting spots or plexes also while i am cloaked. That way u can escape easily and have the opportunity to jump into systems far away and take the benefits :)

Cheers
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2011-11-10 15:30:08 UTC
great. my only comment about WH's is that theyre a gamble. most of the time, you'll have to spend a long time looking for the right one, and you dont get to pick and choose where you go. going to certain nullsec regions is complete suicide, or at best, unproductive. you can exit the WH into a busy pipe, or far from where you need to go. overall, in my opinion, it's more efficient to just use a WH to get back to empire.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#36 - 2011-11-10 19:36:58 UTC
Excellent guide.

I'm null resident and your comment about smack-talk is pretty much true.
Never smack-talk locals or they will get you one way or another, worst you're spotted has a MF good target and every time you're in local someone will take care of you.
Remember that a lot of null residents are bored of blobs and shooting structures, if you mess with them you're just getting them out for a date.

When you loose stuff no matter the price stay polite, it's the game after all and you knew the risks. Any negative purpose or action will just make you a bigger and juicy target.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2011-11-10 20:15:31 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

Remember that a lot of null residents are bored of blobs and shooting structures, if you mess with them you're just getting them out for a date.


bored. so very bored. hunting down a smacktalker is so much more fun than just about anything nullsec has to offer. tread lightly.

thanks.
Hypnagogia Ichinumi
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#38 - 2011-11-10 22:49:23 UTC
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
[snip]
5. immediately after hitting cloak, hit the mwd[/snip]


Would like to expand on this. You should definately practice the whole procedure to master it. At first it might be better to hit mwd and then cloak. Assign both to F1 and F2 and when you get the whole thing down just press both together. Hitting mwd after cloak sounds couterintuitive, but if you do it sorta immediately it will work. Oh and it might exctract some angry responses form the locals :)


The reason to do cloak before MWD is that you do not get the 500% sig penalty. if you do the MWD first you will get the extra sig radius and be slightly easier to target.
Mnemosyne Gloob
#39 - 2011-11-11 11:25:50 UTC
Hypnagogia Ichinumi wrote:
Mnemosyne Gloob wrote:
Hungry Eyes wrote:
[snip]
5. immediately after hitting cloak, hit the mwd[/snip]


Would like to expand on this. You should definately practice the whole procedure to master it. At first it might be better to hit mwd and then cloak. Assign both to F1 and F2 and when you get the whole thing down just press both together. Hitting mwd after cloak sounds couterintuitive, but if you do it sorta immediately it will work. Oh and it might exctract some angry responses form the locals :)


The reason to do cloak before MWD is that you do not get the 500% sig penalty. if you do the MWD first you will get the extra sig radius and be slightly easier to target.



Interesting, i didn't know that. Would still recommend to practice the whole procedure first, it's embarassing if you derp while in a hot situation. :)
Raven Ether
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-11-11 11:57:52 UTC
Awesome writeup.


I had something similar in mind and this provided excellent info.