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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#141 - 2011-11-06 06:16:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
ShipToaster wrote:
Wait, you mean Poetic Stanzeil was right? Score one for the tinfoil hatters.

Hilmar said he wanted to make CONCORD smarter ... I suppose the AI he was referring too came down to a couple lines of code invalidating insurance claims. :)

This won't put an end to ganking. It won't put an end to ganking for profit. Nor should it. Ganking is a valuable part of this game. But gankers will have to use a couple braincells in their target selection. They might even have to create a spreadsheet. ;)
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#142 - 2011-11-06 06:18:48 UTC
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
ShipToaster wrote:
Wait, you mean Poetic Stanzeil was right? Score one for the tinfoil hatters.

Hilmar said he wanted to make CONCORD smarter ... I suppose those smarts was invalidating insurance claims. :)

This won't put an end to ganking. It won't put an end to ganking for profit. Nor should it. Ganking is a valuable part of this game. But gankers will have to use a couple braincells in their target selection. They might even have to create a spreadsheet. ;)


By the time any ganker worth his salt is redboxing you, he already knows exactly how you're fit.

On our end, we might have to increase our bounty payouts and throw in a slight cushion for flubbed ganks, but this will not put a dent in our campaign in the /slightest./

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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#143 - 2011-11-06 06:23:46 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
The real tears will be from the miners when they find out that gankers actually do not give a crap about insurance.


Yes, this change will be more of a boon to the bigger haulers like Orcas, Freighters and Jump Freighters. It really won't affect (much) the ganking of mining barges and exhumers.

(The only real solution there is to give the barges/exhumers more CPU/PG so that they truly have the option to fit a tanky setup, rather then the choice right now of "one piece of tin foil" or "two pieces of tin foil" on the Mackinaw. You can fit a better tank on a T1 industrial then you can get onto the more expensive T2 exhumers.)
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2011-11-06 06:25:15 UTC
Andski wrote:
On our end, we might have to increase our bounty payouts and throw in a slight cushion for flubbed ganks, but this will not put a dent in our campaign in the /slightest./
Hopefully the screaming doesn't force CCP to take highsec protection a step further.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#145 - 2011-11-06 06:27:54 UTC
Scrapyard Bob wrote:
(The only real solution there is to give the barges/exhumers more CPU/PG so that they truly have the option to fit a tanky setup, rather then the choice right now of "one piece of tin foil" or "two pieces of tin foil" on the Mackinaw. You can fit a better tank on a T1 industrial then you can get onto the more expensive T2 exhumers.)


Bombers are more fragile than, say, Punishers. Nobody complains about that.

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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#146 - 2011-11-06 06:31:16 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Tippia wrote:
No, that's basically the only sensible and non-magical part of CONCORD.

I am gonna go a head and doubt that letting every Killer have free reign in the space they killed is the most sensible thing about them.

Sensible would be coordinating off the wreck setting the perp to -5 and sending him on his way out the door. I am sure Suicide Ganking would go down quite a bit. Which is exactly what the Police would want.

But that would be a lot less fun then smoking some dudes Barge in a Rax.

I'd say a realistic police would throw you into prison for a few months or years. Perhaps they won't catch you as fast as concord does but if they catch you you'd be dragged out of your pod and won't be able to fly spaceships for a long time.
Bloody Wench
#147 - 2011-11-06 06:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloody Wench
This won't stop hisec suiciders at all, and it's not meant to.

If you think it will lead to a sudden blossoming of T1 haulers carrying billions worth of loot you're out of your mind.

It will make target selection a bit more 'selective'. It's a little more of a gamble in drops vs costs.

It simply removes a rediculous mechanic where you get reimbursed for your crime. Where you get bailed out regardless if you get a crap roll on loot drops.

If you think this will put even the slightest dent in the shennigans of entities like GSF you're sadly mistaken.

25 mill for fully fit gank Brutix. Do you really think that 25 mill is worth any consideration at all?

It's a broken mechanic, and it deserves to go away.


Edit:

Just to clarify, I'm all for the ability of players to suicide in hisec. This is as it should be.
However no insurance should be paid out for those that do.

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Endeavour Starfleet
#148 - 2011-11-06 06:46:07 UTC
This will help a bit but I doubt it will even cause a 10 percent drop in the ganks.

Why? Because in the old days the ganking was done in teams for direct and risk free epic profit. However, Today it is far less direct but gain as far as market prices.

The big nullsec alliances are greatly benefiting from higher mineral prices that their bots produce. And yes I accuse many of knowingly using bots. Or turning a blind eye because they are "blue"

However the ganking is mostly scaring the active players away from the belts. The bots don't give a rats butt because they can easily replace lost ships and they don't have to worry about playtime. Therefore the next time some alliance alt tells you they are just trying to "clean up the bots" please keep that in mind.

So we need alot more to end this crap. Namely giving mining craft slow to no regen buffers that can outlast an alpha strike to give current concord time to respond.

I propose that all mining craft be given a massive boost to structure hit points.
Psychophantic
#149 - 2011-11-06 06:52:45 UTC
OMG

Suicide ganking actually has a consequence now?
Endeavour Starfleet
#150 - 2011-11-06 06:52:46 UTC
Aubepine Finfleur wrote:
This and Dec Shielding. EvE does not condone griefplay anymore... what's happening ? it's truly the end of the world.


There is a VAST difference between grief play and stuff that big guys use to affect everything.

The days of pwning a mission runner for the luls are mostly gone. These attacks had a singular goal of causing market chaos so that jump freighter after freighter could arrive to save the day at obviously a HUGE profit for the big alliance doing it at the cost of smaller alliances.

As for dec shields. A temporary truce on the issue that CCP has stated they will address properly in the future. That does not count at all.
Psychophantic
#151 - 2011-11-06 06:53:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So

much

stuff


I bet you're a hoot at parties.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2011-11-06 07:01:47 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
So we need alot more to end this crap.
Ganking is a vital part of EVE Online. If you do not think it is, you need to quit and sign up with a Korean MMO.
Arthur Frayn
V.O.F.L IRON CORE
#153 - 2011-11-06 07:08:29 UTC
Very pleased with this change. Not that I want suicide ganking to stop or slow down. I hope it picks up. I want gankers (particularly the lulzy kind) to be forced to work harder earning isk to pay for their lulz.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#154 - 2011-11-06 07:21:01 UTC
I make 20 mil every time my wallet flashes which is enough to pay for around 20 gank thashers, 2 gank rax or one gank brutix. The interdiction will continue.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#155 - 2011-11-06 07:22:56 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
This will help a bit but I doubt it will even cause a 10 percent drop in the ganks.

Why? Because in the old days the ganking was done in teams for direct and risk free epic profit. However, Today it is far less direct but gain as far as market prices.

The big nullsec alliances are greatly benefiting from higher mineral prices that their bots produce. And yes I accuse many of knowingly using bots. Or turning a blind eye because they are "blue"

However the ganking is mostly scaring the active players away from the belts. The bots don't give a rats butt because they can easily replace lost ships and they don't have to worry about playtime. Therefore the next time some alliance alt tells you they are just trying to "clean up the bots" please keep that in mind.

So we need alot more to end this crap. Namely giving mining craft slow to no regen buffers that can outlast an alpha strike to give current concord time to respond.

I propose that all mining craft be given a massive boost to structure hit points.


ahahahahahahahahaha

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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
RONA Directorate
#156 - 2011-11-06 07:29:19 UTC
This will change nothing.


Gankers will still gank end of story. They loot they pick up will just need to exceed their ship and module loss.


as for miners......... They dont really care. hulks will still get ganked, so will macks.


All removing insurance will do is weed out weaker gankers and eliminate an isk faucet.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.

Lipbite
Express Hauler
#157 - 2011-11-06 07:53:59 UTC
Nice. However it could be much better (also) to extend insurance to full price of T2 ships, modules and rigs.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#158 - 2011-11-06 08:16:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Meatbag Pussrocket wrote:
What do you think: is this the end of suicide ganking as we know it, or the beginning of something more devious?
It had better not be, or they'll need to massively nerf CONCORD to make ganking much easier than it is right now.


According to another thread and Twitter theyre doing the opposite

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg

Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#159 - 2011-11-06 08:16:57 UTC
Anyone notice how the carebears that are completely unable to create tears of their own eagerly clutch at anything somebody that doesn't agree with them says and claim they are tears?

Just so you understand, you do know this wont save miners? Nor will it save idiots that cram several hundred million into a T1 hauler, and it wont save 5b isk Tengus either. So before you go around cheering and calling opinions "tears" you should really think about those three facts.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#160 - 2011-11-06 08:18:17 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:
from a gameplay perspective it makes sense - which insurance would pay if you go on an amok-drive and the police wrecks your car?
From a gameplay perspective, it would also make sense to remove CONCORD and leave that stuff to the faction police forces.


Agreed.

Unlikely it's going to happen I'm afraid.

A sad day for eve.


Ive said exactly that but they seem to be going in the opposite direction instead.

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r188/buddahcjcc/SOA-3-2.jpg