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Thanks for the warning CCP

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Jove Death
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2013-12-07 22:03:09 UTC
I f you were in my fleet I would have dropped u there and then

and kicked your ass back to pre monolithic life

Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek.

Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#22 - 2013-12-07 22:04:48 UTC
So you posted some racist crap in a chat channel and got an official warning ...
and now you want to discuss the GM actions and post the same crap they warned you not to post again? Shocked

Very smart.

IBTL.

Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#23 - 2013-12-07 22:06:29 UTC
This thread is going places.
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#24 - 2013-12-07 22:12:43 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
So you posted some racist crap in a chat channel and got an official warning ...
and now you want to discuss the GM actions and post the same crap they warned you not to post again? Shocked

Very smart.

IBTL.


Actually, i didn't spread any racism - that's the whole point
Was it politically correct? Hell, no
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#25 - 2013-12-07 22:17:30 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
ib4l

additionally, sexist and racist sarcasm is actually rarely humorous and mostly just serves to highlight the general douche qualities of the individual communicating it.


It's not anyone else's fault that you are too dumb for sarcasm. Nice try though attempting to convince us that it is.


If it is not coming across as sarcasm, then you're doing it wrong and should adapt your messaging to the receiver.

Also EV is true: derogatory humor rarely comes across as humorous unless the target (at least) takes it literally.

We might as well blame teachers that our kids aren't geniuses

Of course, a joke is always a dialogue and you have to know your audience in order to drop the right joke at the right time.

It's not like I dropped this thread because somebody didn't laugh at my joke, - I doubt I have to explain that to you.

The matter at hand is that CCP sent me an official warning over something an obvious troll reported... just because it somehow fits the racism line in the EULA. And to remind you, it was in the Fleet channel .

Let me rephrase all that well-said garbage i just spit out: Do you believe that I did try to spread racism and thus I am a threat to the EVE Community?


You said something derogatory (humorous or don't, doesn't matters), a player was offended (for real or don't, it doesn't matters neither) and you were punished by breaching the EULA, because derogatory expressions, no matter the intent, breach the EULA:

http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/?_ga=1.44605286.333492264.1325774901

Quote:

6.A.5: (...)You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-party’s intellectual property rights.(...)

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Myriad Blaze
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
#26 - 2013-12-07 22:21:54 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
So you posted some racist crap in a chat channel and got an official warning ...
and now you want to discuss the GM actions and post the same crap they warned you not to post again? Shocked

Very smart.

IBTL.


Actually, i didn't spread any racism - that's the whole point
Was it politically correct? Hell, no

If you really believe that what you posted is not racism, than your moral compass is so far out of whack, that you couldn't even find the bathroom with it, even if your life depended on it.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#27 - 2013-12-07 22:26:42 UTC
I'd have outright banned your ass for a month if I was the one handing the punishments out. Only a moron thinks that kind of crap is funny. And coming here whining about it probably will get you censored more, and I hope it does because you linked it again.
Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#28 - 2013-12-07 22:28:46 UTC
Myriad Blaze wrote:
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:
Myriad Blaze wrote:
So you posted some racist crap in a chat channel and got an official warning ...
and now you want to discuss the GM actions and post the same crap they warned you not to post again? Shocked

Very smart.

IBTL.


Actually, i didn't spread any racism - that's the whole point
Was it politically correct? Hell, no

If you really believe that what you posted is not racism, than your moral compass is so far out of whack, that you couldn't even find the bathroom with it, even if your life depended on it.

Was it racist humor? Yes
Was it racism? No

It's a big difference if we make jokes about pedo bear and 13 year olds or actually trying to get 13 year olds to a blind date.
We might as well lock up people as sexual offenders for dropping lines like
http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/b3/b3248d2e676b55573e965ed95f4ddb15f7d986fa3ffe8aaf7739cc6e3a19ce13.jpg

Context duh - the racism line in the EULA wasn't invented for joking around, it was dropped there for various good reasons and the scenario I complain about isn't covered by it - get it through your skull already
It's sad that I even have to explain why this is ******* ridiculous
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2013-12-07 22:31:21 UTC
so you got a warning for linking a blatantly racist image macro in an in-game chat and you think that linking it in the forums is a terrific idea?

I'd like whatever it is that you're smoking!

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration

Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#30 - 2013-12-07 22:31:22 UTC
I Love Boobies wrote:
I'd have outright banned your ass for a month if I was the one handing the punishments out. Only a moron thinks that kind of crap is funny. And coming here whining about it probably will get you censored more, and I hope it does because you linked it again.

Right, and the kids who were banned from school for wearing Boobies bracelets had it coming too
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
#31 - 2013-12-07 22:33:23 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:
Now, I have linked and said a ton of garbage over the years in EVE channels without anyone actually being bothered by it - especially in the Ships channel (cheers from Hitomi folks) - thus it was quite a surprise to me when I received an official warning over something I have linked which offended somebody else which, according to CCP, violates the EULA

Now I don't disagree with CCPs approach in general but - use your ******* brains mates
Here's the actual quote to get that off the list

[ 2013.12.07 18:09:12 ] Tenchuu Khaan > ansonsten, wenn ihr sexistischen Sarkasmus schon nicht versteht dann zumindest rassistischen oder? ;) http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Super+Ultra+******+9000.+NOT+OC+Thought+it+was+funny_d99aa8_3671083.jpg

Now, prior to that linking we had a convo on TS which went a bit like this
"Align to new broadcast.... squad warps, squad warps"
And I'm like
"Could a man repeat that please? I'm don't really like taking orders from women"

Which somehow was taken seriously
To point out how it was meant I dropped the line above which translates to:
"Now, if you don't understand sexist sarcasm, what about racist sarcasm? http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Super+Ultra+******+9000.+NOT+OC+Thought+it+was+funny_d99aa8_3671083.jpg"

Several hours later I received a neat mail from CCP pointing out that I have linked something which violates the EULA
Since the only other criminal thing I have linked around that time is a song by the Kelly Family, I could only assume that CCP talked about mentioned picture above.

And that pretty much concludes my EVE Adventure for today.
I can only hope that CCP Support Staff gets it through their skull that they were being trolled by a player who exploited the Reporting function and that I'm not a white supremacist trying to recruit pilots for the Ku-Klux Klan :D




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I'm not even joking or being sarcastic. I'm merely shocked that a human being can accept itself as such while wasting its time hitting that key combination"






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Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
#32 - 2013-12-07 22:34:47 UTC
As a member of the race you are denigrating im more insulted that this is a 4chan meme that has been taken by another group and destroyed.

The term you are looking for is Giganigger


Dubs and trips powers him

only Quads can destroy him.


You should biomass yourself for being so far behind the curve.
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#33 - 2013-12-07 22:55:08 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:

Was it racist humor? Yes
Was it racism? No

It's a big difference if we make jokes about pedo bear and 13 year olds or actually trying to get 13 year olds to a blind date.
We might as well lock up people as sexual offenders for dropping lines like
*not even going to bother keeping that in the quote*

Context duh - the racism line in the EULA wasn't invented for joking around, it was dropped there for various good reasons and the scenario I complain about isn't covered by it - get it through your skull already
It's sad that I even have to explain why this is ******* ridiculous


What's sad is that you still don't get it. What's sad is that you think coming here and griping about the GM's decision will....what? Seriously. What? Actually help your cause? And finally what's sad is that so many have stated how they found your jokes to be offensive, and you're still sitting there basically saying, "I don't see what the problem is".

As the old saying goes, "Ignorance is bliss."

Enjoy your bliss with all that extra time you would've spent playing Eve.
Josef Djugashvilis
#34 - 2013-12-07 23:07:57 UTC
To the OP.

Take your punishment like and man and move on.

This is not a signature.

Tenchuu Khaan
Vagabond Association
#35 - 2013-12-07 23:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tenchuu Khaan
Ambassador Crane wrote:
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:

Was it racist humor? Yes
Was it racism? No

It's a big difference if we make jokes about pedo bear and 13 year olds or actually trying to get 13 year olds to a blind date.
We might as well lock up people as sexual offenders for dropping lines like
*not even going to bother keeping that in the quote*

Context duh - the racism line in the EULA wasn't invented for joking around, it was dropped there for various good reasons and the scenario I complain about isn't covered by it - get it through your skull already
It's sad that I even have to explain why this is ******* ridiculous


What's sad is that you still don't get it. What's sad is that you think coming here and griping about the GM's decision will....what? Seriously. What? Actually help your cause? And finally what's sad is that so many have stated how they found your jokes to be offensive, and you're still sitting there basically saying, "I don't see what the problem is".

As the old saying goes, "Ignorance is bliss."

Enjoy your bliss with all that extra time you would've spent playing Eve.


The only thing sad here is that 95% of the people, measured around the replies in this thread, ignore absolutely everything just to be on the right side which gets to throw stones at somebody. You know, the kind of people that just wait for you to state something like "your mother" so they can unleash all the cruelty they had to hold back so far.
I don't feel like a martyr or anything along those lines but do yourself a favor and actually read instead of just scanning through some text until you find something you can complain about.

At the end of the day the picture is just stupid, it was dropped in fleet channel, I received a warning for it, I'm not racist. Period
That's all there is to it. Despite these facts the only complaint people seem to have about this thread is that they feel racially offended... which is ultradumb
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#36 - 2013-12-07 23:15:46 UTC
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:

Was it racist humor? Yes

Contradiction in terms, there is no racist humor.
Tenchuu Khaan wrote:

Was it racism? No

Yes it was.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Deluca Ushan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-07 23:18:08 UTC
1) i like lists
2) you lack empathy and respect
3) you spend far too much time defending some kind of cause, that neither makes sense nor adds any entertainment value
4) du solltest lernen mit Frauen zu sprechen und zwar richtig, dann bist du auch ein bisschen ausgeglichener.
5) As you brought the mother topic up, maybe ask your mother how she finds your behaviour....
Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#38 - 2013-12-07 23:21:16 UTC
There is a difference between a warning and a punishment

There is also a difference between punishing someone for an offense they've repeated soon after they were warned and punishing a first time offender.

There are all sorts of levels of punishment too .


That all being said, I agree that it is rather bothersome that they'd try to restrict humorous speach that didn't have any big attempt to offend beyind it.

But.. damn I'm pissed off about that everywhere... .. a coach berates his players for not trying hard enough and throws some chairs around like an angry guy might (not at them but just to make a loud noise and express just how furious they were inside) gets fired.

It has become wrong to even express what you're feeling without any "hate words" involved. If you say someone has a stupid harcut you're harassing them..

So.. its all BS .. yet, you just got warned and they're just not willing to step outside the stupid standards society is setting..

... they're game makers, not political leaders .... following best practices in game industry "risk management" allows them to focus on spaceship and not fight cultural wars (and threats of lawsuits etc)

Sometimes it is just "lip service" ... some one complains.. they have a record of responding with a warning.. they've done their job and can show they made a resonable effort even though they can't moderate everything.

.

KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-12-07 23:22:54 UTC  |  Edited by: KuroVolt
I think someone just wanted to punish you for making lame jokes.





Cause those were pretty lame jokes....

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Josef Djugashvilis
#40 - 2013-12-07 23:24:46 UTC
You got slapped for the image.

That's the long and the short of it.

CCP cannot possibly know what thoughts you may or may not have had at the time.

This is not a signature.

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