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mission drone aggro

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#1 - 2013-12-07 19:55:59 UTC
Ive stopped using drones for a while now since they tried to stop afk site campers and supposedly drone aggro was fixed but i find anytime i deploy a drone it gets instantly locked before it even touch a frigate. word is from what i heard from other players is the aggro is broken again but some players dont have a problem with drone aggro while others are instantly losing them out the bay. I would also like to see some kind of module that would send out a signal that would cause pirates to fire on that person using said module to make a tank in fleet mission ops once more a viable position. in an attempt to make PVE more PVP and to keep afk mission/plex campers away the drone ships themselves have suffered huge setbacks, not to include the heavy missile nerf because of the tengus range make my command ship suffer in missions aswell having 54km range.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-12-07 22:34:15 UTC
You need to get aggro from the rats before deploying drones. Set them on "passive" if you don't want the aggroing things without your specific intent. Monitor them carefully, and look out on screen for incoming damage; drones are no longer "zero-attention" damage; you have to pay attention just as you do with turrets or missiles.

There will not be a module to make the zero attention DPS, so you need to learn to manage them.

NB: rats really hate EW and RR activity now. Try using a target painter.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#3 - 2013-12-07 22:48:01 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You need to get aggro from the rats before deploying drones. Set them on "passive" if you don't want the aggroing things without your specific intent. Monitor them carefully, and look out on screen for incoming damage; drones are no longer "zero-attention" damage; you have to pay attention just as you do with turrets or missiles.

There will not be a module to make the zero attention DPS, so you need to learn to manage them.

NB: rats really hate EW and RR activity now. Try using a target painter.



oh i do pay attention, i take the whole room before their even deployed and i use a painter but they are still attacked no sooner than deployed, so i resorted to using a web on a cnr and not deploying drones at at all. In the time i deploy and scoop without them attack i lose at least 1 drone with in that time frame, death rate increase if i was to other wise tell them to attack something.

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2013-12-08 09:53:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
I really have no idea what you're doing wrong then; that's not what happens when I deploy vs rats.

Which kind of drones are you using?

Are they set to passive or aggressive?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-12-08 17:05:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
I've had problems with a few elite frigates. I would gain aggro and target paint them before launching drones, but the frigates would start shooting the drones when the drones hadn't even aggrod the frigates yet. I was using small drones.

I last had this months ago, since I don't do missions anymore. But I also don't remember an update in the meantime.

I remember this happening in The Assault level four, against Guristas.

e: in my opinion, if there is a problem, it's that certain rats might have an unexpectedly high aggression towards drones. maybe some rats were overlooked when the aggression was adjusted.
Endovior
PFU Consortium
#6 - 2013-12-09 02:57:46 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I've had problems with a few elite frigates.


Come to think of it, that's been my experience as well, running anomalies. Generally, I find that larger drones tend to get murdered by little ships really quickly if I use them indiscriminately. My solution to this was to carry a few flights of light drones along, use them to kill off the frigates, and then use heavier drones only when the area is clear of little stuff (this also helps deal with the EWAR problem, which can be really bad in some sites). Doing it that way, I find that lights tend to survive fights where heavies get murdered, since the light drones can evade incoming fire while killing the ships that go after them.

Try it out and see if it helps!
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-12-10 04:34:47 UTC
I ran an Apoc, so all I used were light drones. I've never used heavies or sentries. But having the frigs aggro drones when I was using EWAR on them and when the drones hadn't aggrod yet was silly.
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#8 - 2013-12-12 23:21:02 UTC
There's a mechanic where rats won't shoot drones below their size: only frigs go for lights, cruisers will join in on mediums, and everything will take shots at heavies/sentries.

I've taken to killing the frigates first with long-range fire (because micro jump drive), then deploying drones. It does seem that the 'aggro' rules aren't reliable, or vary a lot between missions.

I've seen times when rats go immediately for any new drones, but if I had my drones out from the start (ie, before I started shooting at all) then they ignore the drones. Other times, deploying drones immediately attracts the attention of nearby un-aggressed rat groups.


I also found myself using Vespas the other day (they were in my drone bay, I dont recall putting them there, must have been drunk). They're ****, but they seem not to attract attention due to their awful applied DPS on elite frigs
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-12-12 23:33:43 UTC
David Laurentson wrote:
they were in my drone bay, I dont recall putting them there, must have been drunk)


CCP have repeatedly sabotaged me under similar circumstances

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"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016