EVE General Discussion

Yes. The number will be equal or less than the total lifespan of EVE counted in days. Taking in to account the progress CCP has made on this issue in the past 10 years, I'd say there is a decent chance both numbers will be the same.

Sounds good for me.

An idea that just popped into my head is if the star gates generated entries to a log of all pilots that jump through them. This log would only be sent to the alliance that holds sovereignty of the system.

Perhaps like how when a POS gets shot at, a log gets sent to the owner's corp. Idk, maybe something along those lines? Guess CCP would need to allow the jump log to be sent to every corp member... Not exactly real time, but you would at least have advanced warning if a roaming gang is coming into your region.

I kind of agree, local ain't good.
Whenever I sit in a plex and someone warps in system, first thing I do is a full intel check on who he is and if I can fight him. Local has to go.

I'm sorry but for me the game would be a lot less interesting and feel a lot less like an MMO without a constant reminder of who else is playing near you, an abililty to see what they named themselves and their corporations.

The feeling that some places are sleepy backwards and others are inhabitted is much more clear with local.. yes you can actively look around but its the visual display of numbers and names in local that gives the feel.

All of that could be achieved with LES intelligence but alas.. people on these boards and society at large are rarely willing to brainstorm middle solutions instead of sticking with their more absolutes.

I believe a passive knowledge is vital for the MMO evironment I described.. this isn't only an advesarial place. I'm not saying that it should be safe.

I'd be all for increasing the danger by making local provide Less intellgence whil maininging the passive aspect of a colorful place with many names and corporations I see passing in and out and inhabiting places


How that takes brainstorming. There is constellation Chat channel ... having all the names in a constellation appear and a delayed number ( # only) count of people in the actual system could walk a middle ground.

I just don't want an MMO to be a place where you're not constantly seeing and learning about other players .. "seeing" is different from agressive looking and discovering.

Personal preference definitely. Other people will have different preferences.

not all space needs to be the same

- wormhole space doesn't have local .. that is one choice allowing people who don't like local to go wthere there isn't local
? could it apply in more places than wormholes? certainly.. but that doesn't need to be _all _ places .

Another idea --- just list who was in the system 30 minutes ago (not in the system for over 30 minutes but also including people who came and left) ... not at present ... that would provide all the color I'd like with far less immediate intel.

CCP won't remove local until they have the hardware in place to handle the additional load caused by most everyone using free trial scouting alts.

Dear Most Everyone,
Invest in a cheap laptop secondary computer that can run a minimal Eve client for your free trail scouting alts.

Are you capable of contributing to a thread without insulting other players who you disagree with? If not then please take your anger elsewhere. Thanks.

You don't coddle a rabbid dog, you put that sucker down.

This is thread is just, remove local thread # 357,956,349.

EDIT: Until CCP codes something that gives intel like local, local will still be around, so let us all just shut up about local okay.

Local will be removed on the day your militia re-takes Washington for Der Fuehrer, Herzog.

OK Personal Attack #1 indicates that the goons are really the ones depending on local.

What's the matter, afraid of Harry? He only targets cyno ships.


Meanwhile, this is not a "remove local' thread. Note the link is to an article and it's from the horse's mouth that CCP wants to replace local with something else.

Now I never said local should be removed or should stay. In fact I find that what is lost for a defender of a system is also lost for an offender, and vice versa. Local is a two edged sword. Removal of local does not look like it will be giving one side an advantage over another. So a defender would need to be more aware, but an attacker will need to be more diligent. Wormhole dwellers laugh at these threads.

I would love to find out what would replace local.

I'm kind of hoping for something like the Mode 2 systems we use on aircraft. Back when I was in the Luftwaff.... er Air Force (damned goons got me doing it now) fighter jets had Mode 4 IFF (Friend or Foe) that allowed fleets to identify their own. This system had a drawback though: it only said "friendly or not friendly" because the codes are a kind of black box crypto that changes daily.

Mode 2 is the basic ID beacon.

I'm hoping that something like beacons would be the replacement such that a scanner can pick up say 10 ships but only 8 have positive FF response and Mode 2 style beacon is optional - to transmit an ID or not so that if you are in a space that has NRDS you can weight the cost or benefits in the use of an ID beacon. In such cases, we have an ability for players to track friendlies, potential unfriendlies, and even enemies. There there would be some intel, IF players want to provide it for the corpmates or their own benefit, or if they want to be an unidentified entity in a space and anything could happen there. But yes if they are cloaked and have all beacons off, nobody will know they are there.

It would also be interesting to see if anybody entering empire space without Mode 2 on, broadcasting their ID to Concord, gets criminal flagged. Yeah I know this is a catch 22. Turn on the ID beacon and you are "red" in the system such that perhaps the Navies are after you, but leave it off and you are suspect flagged basically for "wearing a ski mask in the park on a sunny day" and EVERYBODY can shoot you.

There won't be any I-WIN buttons. There's never such a button.