Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i agree with you on 100% but parts of the conclusion

thing is wouldn't come more good from that change than bad?
as you said those ships would kill ships in null weather stabs or not.
the question is more are there more situations where you need a warp stab to be able to save yourself if you planed correctly or aren't warp stabs in frigs just a "get out of jail free card" when you dis something stupid/didn't pay attention?
do you really need warp stabs on your cov-ops explorer ship to travel safely or just because your to lazy to watch local/d-scan?

on larger ships warp stabs are necessary to be able to move ships relatively safe with some additional planing/intel

Since the "issue" with Warp Core Stabs is more or less centered around Faction Warfare complexes... why not brainstorm about that more specific aspect rather than about the module itself? WCS do what they do perfectly and do not need to be changed.


How about doubling the tank and damage of complex NPCs? Yes... this will hurt genuine newbies... but on the bright side it will encourage them to team up with others more.

I try not to use them anymore because constantly running away from plexes when there is only a few minutes on the clock is very frustrating and makes it hard to earn LP, that's another side effect of stabs that people don't account for. Fitting stabs usually negates the possibility of fighting back, and the chances of sitting in a plex for 10-20mins undisturbed is extremely low. If you can't fight, fit stabs, if you can fight don't because you'll earn far more LP and it's a lot more interesting. Faction war is a good way to get new players into pvp, but you can't throw people in at the deep end or they just won't come back because it's not just hard but almost impossible for new players to defend a plex. I think everyone knows this, even experienced players who know what they are doing will struggle on a new toon, so what hope for a noob?

There are not enough experienced pvp players willing to take a bunch of noobs plexing all day, yes the occasional gang to show the ropes etc, but sharing LP with players who bring very little to the table is not common. if you have to split lp between 3 or even 2 players your not getting much, and even then your more likely to run into bigger gangs, than anything a noob gang can fit. It just makes for some embarrassing kill boards, but then I think that's all some people want; moar easy kills, not balance. IMO faction war and stabs in general are working well, it's the only content that keeps me interested in eve tbh.

I started without stabs for the first few days and I was just getting popped before I could get a shot off, and sometimes trolled; players would link my kill board in local and laugh at my noobie **** fits, it was fun for them i'm sure but not good encouragement to leave high sec. At the same time I was capturing very little so my wallet was emptying and I had to sell plex cards to stay in the game. A few of us had the same experience and we soon wanted to go back to high sec, which unfortunately a lot of them did and never came back or quit the game. Someone had the idea of using stabs, and it worked, better still I came to love the tears, because I couldn't get tears any other way it made my day when the bitter vets who had been laughing at me before started crying in local about my stabs. I used to wait until I was locked, let them scram me then warp off and give a wave in local just to be sure I'd get a reaction. You don't like it? Guess what your not supposed to like it, it's all part of the big circle of low sec life, not everything needs to be set up to tilt the field in your favor.

Between gate camps, and "solo players" with off grid boosters, and roaming gangs it's already very hard for new players to survive for long in low sec, there is no need to make it even harder by removing one of the few things that can improve our chance of surviving. When I eventually get to a place where I can pvp and expect to win more often than I lose, I won't begrudge noobs their stabs. The game needs to do more to make low and nul more accessible to new players, if everything is set up to feed the ego of gankers and their need for easy kills you will push newbies out because nobody signs up to be the entertainment for other players.

A "rock, paper, scissors" situation in a game is typically a sign of balanced game design, not imbalanced design.

People keep telling you you are wrong, and you keep ignoring them.

I don't know why you see it as abuse, you really don't make much LP when you spend most of your time being chased around systems, and if you get pointed by a couple of players or one guy with extra points, or run into insta thrashers etc you will die. I have lots of dead stabbed frigs on my killboard, it's usually because I get bored and fight the next thing that comes along, but sometimes people try to tackle me, fail, add an extra point come straight back and blap me.

As for D-scan I use it all the time now, and it's enough to keep you alive even without stabs, to be honest you don't even need to bother with d-scan as long as you stay aligned and 30km off the warp in you might as well be stabbed, which begs the question; why do we need to get rid of stabs since people will still be able to run plexes and avoid pvp even without them? The only people this will hurt are new players who are not used to low sec environments, stabs were like training wheels for me while I was finding my way around low sec, and I like the fact that you can taunt better players in blingy ships and get away. It levels the playing field, IMO we should leave them alone, taking them out of FW will not lead to more pvp and it won't stop farmers, it just takes away a level of protection for inexperienced players.

In the world where you keep saying there is a problem when people are telling you there really isn't.