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Intercepters

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Bowbndr
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2013-12-05 09:26:24 UTC
Ok I was told that this discussion needed to be here so here it goes.

While I understand the revamp making ships allign and warp per their size was reasonable, at what price did empowering the interceptors to out match everything in the game do? Admitadly as an Indy toon I understand that I may be missing something here, but we used to see roving gangs that had multiple ship types and actuallywhe slightly balanced to the home team, made for good null sec fights. Now with ccp essentially buffing interceptors so much you just see mass amounts of interceptors killing everything from the loan ratter to fleets of battle cruisers and battleships.

Now last time I plaster this the pvpers jumped on me about my recent freighter loss, but if you actually look at it the intercepted buff , while playing a part in it was insignificant in the grand scheme. So before the rangers get ahold and get this thread shut down, I ask a simple question. What was the point of "balancing" the ships of eve if you balanced one class so far ahead that it kills all other aspects of the game.

I would really like to hear ccp's take on this before the moderators just shut this thread down aswell.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2013-12-05 09:29:17 UTC
Is a loan ratter anything like a loan shark?

The Drake is a Lie

Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-12-05 09:34:27 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
Ok I was told that this discussion needed to be here so here it goes.

While I understand the revamp making ships allign and warp per their size was reasonable, at what price did empowering the interceptors to out match everything in the game do? Admitadly as an Indy toon I understand that I may be missing something here, but we used to see roving gangs that had multiple ship types and actuallywhe slightly balanced to the home team, made for good null sec fights. Now with ccp essentially buffing interceptors so much you just see mass amounts of interceptors killing everything from the loan ratter to fleets of battle cruisers and battleships.

Now last time I plaster this the pvpers jumped on me about my recent freighter loss, but if you actually look at it the intercepted buff , while playing a part in it was insignificant in the grand scheme. So before the rangers get ahold and get this thread shut down, I ask a simple question. What was the point of "balancing" the ships of eve if you balanced one class so far ahead that it kills all other aspects of the game.

I would really like to hear ccp's take on this before the moderators just shut this thread down aswell.


Yeah it sucks making isk in null sec , damn interceptors

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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#4 - 2013-12-05 09:37:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Erotica 1
The only solution I see is to give interceptors 16 highslots for more guns. Such a bold move would surely see most of the stockpile be used for ganking in highsec and not bother your indy character so much in nullsec.

*edit* Oh wait, you have a freighter I see. Added to the list.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#5 - 2013-12-05 09:38:35 UTC
Here's a few real key points for you:

A) If more than one ship of any type shows up at the same time with competent PVPers flying them you're dead anyway
B) If it was one cepter you can still kill it with warriors

I think the wine here that should be going with your cheese is that blobs exist...

The Drake is a Lie

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#6 - 2013-12-05 09:44:09 UTC
I'm a big advocate of allowing freighter pilots, such as our dear OP, be able to tank their freighters with some sort of special bling armor. Surely we can all agree that for a few billion or so isk, he should be able to tank a bit more damage. Of course, the freighter must go even slower if it is buffed.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
#7 - 2013-12-05 10:32:04 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:
I ask a simple question. What was the point of "balancing" the ships of eve if you balanced one class so far ahead that it kills all other aspects of the game.



The point was to rebalance a T2 ship that was obscured by the recent T1 attack frigate buff.

Also, in the general schema there's the will - and this is good - to make null sec system again more permeable for small gangs action.

For istance now for a ratter the room left to react when some intruder enter the system is reduced, and placing bubbles to slow them down is not going to work as in the past.

Do not kill "all other aspect of the game", on the countrary, it adds gameplay and open larger playgrounds for more players.



LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#8 - 2013-12-05 10:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
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Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-05 10:53:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Debora Tsung
Xercodo wrote:
Is a loan ratter anything like a loan shark?

I think that's a typo, He wanted to say loan rattler, that's a guy who works for a loan shark to shake things up if need be.

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#10 - 2013-12-05 10:58:46 UTC
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2013-12-05 11:21:25 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Is a loan ratter anything like a loan shark?


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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-12-05 11:24:57 UTC
Bowbndr wrote:


...at what price did empowering the interceptors to out match everything in the game do?


I see your problem here.... you think interceptors outmatch everything in the game.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Fr3akwave
Mercury Arms Inc.
Ghostbirds
#13 - 2013-12-05 11:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Fr3akwave
Bowbndr wrote:
While I understand the revamp making ships allign and warp per their size was reasonable,...


Just for you another round of clarification: The changes only affect the time between entering and exiting warp, and that is AFTER alignment. Alignment wasnt changed.
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-12-05 11:43:18 UTC
Interceptors are awesome, mmmmkay?
acemastr Ocer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2013-12-05 11:43:55 UTC
My biggest issue right now is that an interceptor orbiting at 20km doing 4km+ per second is nigh on impossible to hit and drones can't keep up with them.

Too overpowered... anything cruiser sized and above has no chance
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-05 12:29:32 UTC
acemastr Ocer wrote:
My biggest issue right now is that an interceptor orbiting at 20km doing 4km+ per second is nigh on impossible to hit and drones can't keep up with them.

Too overpowered... anything cruiser sized and above has no chance


Missiles.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-12-05 12:36:40 UTC
Disco Battleships.

That is all.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.

Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#18 - 2013-12-05 12:44:29 UTC
No more afk ratting,no more afk mining,people should be required to have fleet support while traveling a freighter through null anyway..

What the problem is??

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acemastr Ocer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-12-05 12:48:37 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
acemastr Ocer wrote:
My biggest issue right now is that an interceptor orbiting at 20km doing 4km+ per second is nigh on impossible to hit and drones can't keep up with them.

Too overpowered... anything cruiser sized and above has no chance


Missiles.


Coincidentally I had heavy assaults on, which was my downfall as they only have a 19km flight time.
WASPY69
Xerum.
#20 - 2013-12-05 12:51:50 UTC
Interceptors doesn't outmatch everything in the game since the warp changes. As with everything in eve there's a perfect counter to everything. And Interceptors finally have their role of warping uber fast and catching things, as well as being excellent lemmin- er i mean scouts.
However their downside is that they're really fragile and will splode from a brisk breeze. But as an industrial... yeah you're pretty much F'ed if one catches you and you forgot where you put your batphone.

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