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MWD -vs- AB tactics and question
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Black Widow Maker
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-12-04 03:52:55 UTC
So I know from reading that a warp scrambler will turn off a MWD.

If that's the case why would say an Atron have a MWD, scram and a web fitted? Wouldn't that put him at a disadvantage if he went to tackle another ship who had an AB and a scram and a web? He has to get within point range but that also puts him in danger as if his opponnet has the AB, scram and web wont that put him in a bad position?
Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#2 - 2013-12-04 05:43:06 UTC
Basically yes, it could be bad thing.

But if you know what kind of fit enemy is flying and you consider that you may still win him with mwd+scram+web it is not a problem.

Basically if you have enough range to kill him on web range then it is not problem if he can control range better than you, he might be able to escape easier but at least you do not lose your ship then :)
Roime
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Shadow Cartel
#3 - 2013-12-04 05:52:06 UTC
Yes, it does. However, having the scram also puts the MWD Atron at advantage over someone with MWD and long point.

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Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC
#4 - 2013-12-04 10:01:37 UTC
Of course AB frigs are superior to MWD frigs when it comes to a straight brawl starting from 0.
Not every fight starts at 0 though and thats why I like to fit MWDs anyway.

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Dan Carter Murray
#5 - 2013-12-04 14:59:43 UTC
Black Widow Maker wrote:
So I know from reading that a warp scrambler will turn off a MWD.

If that's the case why would say an Atron have a MWD, scram and a web fitted? Wouldn't that put him at a disadvantage if he went to tackle another ship who had an AB and a scram and a web? He has to get within point range but that also puts him in danger as if his opponnet has the AB, scram and web wont that put him in a bad position?


yes it would put him at a disadvantage if he tackled a ship with AB, scram, and web.

the atron pilot might be better off targeting kiting ships, although kiting ships are normally flown by people who have plenty of room in their cockpit due to their lack of testicles or testicular fortitude.

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Andre Vauban
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-12-04 15:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Andre Vauban
Black Widow Maker wrote:
So I know from reading that a warp scrambler will turn off a MWD.

If that's the case why would say an Atron have a MWD, scram and a web fitted? Wouldn't that put him at a disadvantage if he went to tackle another ship who had an AB and a scram and a web? He has to get within point range but that also puts him in danger as if his opponnet has the AB, scram and web wont that put him in a bad position?


Unless its a super cap where the counter is to bring more of them, Eve is mostly Rock-paper-scissors:

MWD-scram-web Atron = paper

MWD-long point frig (slower than atron) = rock

AB-web-scram frig = scissors

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StahlWaffe
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-12-04 19:40:37 UTC
Rock < Paper < Scissors
AB Brawl < MWD Kite < MWD Brawl
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-04 19:44:01 UTC
Black Widow Maker wrote:
So I know from reading that a warp scrambler will turn off a MWD.

If that's the case why would say an Atron have a MWD, scram and a web fitted?


Because sometimes different situations call for different fittings.

I've refit from AB/scram to MWD/scram for catching kiters, for instance.


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Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-12-09 09:47:32 UTC
AB fit frigs make me sad. Tackling an AB/rocket Hawk today in an Ares was the first time in a while I've taken my hands off the keyboard and just watched. Orbited at 20km and waited for calvary.

Can always tell who brought an AB brawler - they are at the bottom of killmails due to never being in range.

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Grim Hood
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-12-11 12:59:01 UTC
Desudes wrote:
AB fit frigs make me sad. Tackling an AB/rocket Hawk today in an Ares was the first time in a while I've taken my hands off the keyboard and just watched. Orbited at 20km and waited for calvary.

Can always tell who brought an AB brawler - they are at the bottom of killmails due to never being in range.


Every so often I will fly a kitey ship and go hunt AB brawlers. It's funny, sad, and kinda boring simultaneously. But it's very satisfying to blow up their assault frig with my Tristan. I call it the @$$hole fit.

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Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#11 - 2013-12-11 13:20:00 UTC
You know, EVE is about choices and decisions. The more you optimize for a specific situation the better you will be in exactly this specific situation but worser in my others. It is just a bet you are doing.

1. So for example you can go for AB + Scram and bet that you will catch stuff at point blank which makes you vulnerable to kiters.

2. You can also go for MWD + Point and bet that you don't get catched at point blank... but once you get catched you die horribly.

3. You can naturally also go with MWD + AB + Point + Web + Web (e.g. Caldari Navy Hookbill) with this you have full control of fighting range... naturally at cost of tank + dps. It makes you flexible if you know how to operate against various targets but if you hit the wrong buttons then you still die.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-12-11 14:28:50 UTC
Desudes wrote:
AB fit frigs make me sad. Tackling an AB/rocket Hawk today in an Ares was the first time in a while I've taken my hands off the keyboard and just watched. Orbited at 20km and waited for calvary.

Can always tell who brought an AB brawler - they are at the bottom of killmails due to never being in range.


Not really always the case. I have flown the AB fit Harpy with success.

What I try to do is build a fit for a specific purpose and not really attempt to use it for other things. For instance, I dont need a MWD on my harpy if im sitting inside a plex waiting for someone to pop in. Ill have their MWD off and their ship webbed as soon as they land. Naturally, I wont be able to engage kiters outside the plex, but I wont choose to engage there either. Remember, a large part of determining the success of an encounter is choosing what to engage and what to evade.

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Liam Inkuras
Furnace
#13 - 2013-12-11 14:56:12 UTC
Then there's me, that throws myself at anything and everything that moves.

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Jill Chastot
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-12-12 01:29:41 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Then there's me, that throws myself at anything and everything that moves.


So what's the hourly rate?

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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#15 - 2013-12-12 02:40:29 UTC
Jill Chastot wrote:
Liam Inkuras wrote:
Then there's me, that throws myself at anything and everything that moves.


So what's the hourly rate?


He pays you, kind of like an ISK doubler.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#16 - 2013-12-15 00:55:49 UTC
Andre Vauban wrote:
MWD-scram-web Atron = paper

MWD-long point frig (slower than atron) = rock

AB-web-scram frig = scissors
I'd say the kiter is paper, so the AB/scram/web is rock and MWD/scram/web is scissors ; makes more sense regarding tank. :D

There are some exceptions though, like rockets MWD Hawk which can outbrawl almost anything and still catch some kiters.