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Add more gender options

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Dolorous Tremmens
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-02-27 17:22:36 UTC
Caleigh Lockhart wrote:


That being said, I would love to be able to resculpt gender on my character. I have a 23 million skill point one that I can't bring myself to play because I'm sick of pretending to be something I'm not. Renaming and resculpting their appearance including gender would allow me to keep going on a character that I put over a year of effort into before I started transition.

Beyond that, I'd most like see them add a wider variety of body types to the sculpting, or allow some kind of multi-player interaction with avatars. We can make characters with scars, wrinkles, tattoos, piercings, and emaciated bodies. Obviously every capsuleer isn't the epitome of physical perfection. Why, then do we limit body type to thin or thinner. I haven't been less than 200 lb (90 kilo) since middle school. I'm not asking to play a 500 lb (225 kilo) 4 foot (1.2 meter) character, but it would be nice to make someone who had a little extra weight. Like many of us.


I'd want the 500lb and 4 ft character extreme options. But I've no doubt quite a few people would like re-sculpts, and since its not a name and therefore set in stone, it should be changeable. For a price, of course. Plastic surgery is common enough now, and its not like genetic manipulation that got the jovians into such a bad state, its just different physical features.

As for Endocrinological special cases, and I don't mean to sound insensitive, but isn't this a role playing game? I believe that in Canada you have to assume the gender role you wish to switch to for at least a year before you get to go under the knife or get hormone therapy ( if the state is going to pay for it). Now you play your avatar, but unless you're realy,really into role play, the pictures mean nothing, and your actions mean everything. If it really is about the role play, can't you create another character to be, and just use your uncomfortable alt as a minion, albeit a skilled and talented minion?

I resisted getting an avatar pic when they went to the incarna system, but eventually they forced me to make one before I could actually play the game, otherwise I'd probably be the mysterious default shadowy outline.

Get some Eve. Make it yours.

Caleigh Lockhart
Athena Foundation
#82 - 2014-02-27 17:55:07 UTC
Dolorous Tremmens wrote:


I'd want the 500lb and 4 ft character extreme options. But I've no doubt quite a few people would like re-sculpts, and since its not a name and therefore set in stone, it should be changeable. For a price, of course. Plastic surgery is common enough now, and its not like genetic manipulation that got the jovians into such a bad state, its just different physical features.

As for Endocrinological special cases, and I don't mean to sound insensitive, but isn't this a role playing game? I believe that in Canada you have to assume the gender role you wish to switch to for at least a year before you get to go under the knife or get hormone therapy ( if the state is going to pay for it). Now you play your avatar, but unless you're realy,really into role play, the pictures mean nothing, and your actions mean everything. If it really is about the role play, can't you create another character to be, and just use your uncomfortable alt as a minion, albeit a skilled and talented minion?

I resisted getting an avatar pic when they went to the incarna system, but eventually they forced me to make one before I could actually play the game, otherwise I'd probably be the mysterious default shadowy outline.


I wasn't suggesting all the special cases be put in game, that was more of a side note to explain that sex isn't binary, and gender is even less so.

They offer payed resculpts, You can change your skin tone, scars, bone structure, height, etc. Everything except gender and race. I just want to be able resculpt the gender as well.

Yeah, this isn't a super huge roleplaying game (although some folks do), but everybody identifies you by your avatar. Everyone I interacted with online reffered to my by my character name, in chat and in voice comms. Even though I'm not really roleplaying, I don't want that to be my identity anymore. I've spent too much of my life pretending to be something I'm not and doing so in game kind of sucks all the enjoyment out of it. I have started an alt, but being a year behind in training makes it really difficult to justify playing them when a full resculpt and rename would fix the problem, and honestly shouldn't eat up a bunch of dev time to enable.

The other body stuff was just things I was saying I'd rather see than allowing mixed gender options on one character in a hypothetical situation where they were going to spend time and effort on avatars anyways.
Theris Akkad
The Combined Interests Group
#83 - 2014-02-27 19:02:09 UTC
NEONOVUS wrote:

Now do you mean trans?
Because if so then one the person is probably going to make their body correct on the first time
and 2 trans has a heavy causation in the amylgalda.
Meaning if you shove a male brain scan into a female clone, you are going to get a nutcase as everything is wrong.
A trans has a wrong body in relationship to their brain structures (subject to change when science lets us tweak those brain structures to match genetic code)


While it will take a long time for either to become fully developed, gene therapy will most likely be available before brain restructuring. This is bearing in mind that our knowledge of both brain structure and genetic manipulation is still incomplete. I believe it will be easier for trans people to simply change their physical gender attributes then to manipulate the way their mind works to match their bodies.

And I'm not going to get into the ethics of changing people's brain structures because that is a HUGE can of worms.
Callic Veratar
#84 - 2014-02-27 19:11:38 UTC
In a world of cloning and genetic manipulation, I'm not sure why the idea of trans-gender would exist. Trans is a an imperfect current day concept limited by current medical procedures (surgery and hormones). What's stopping an capsuleer from changing their body into whatever they want?

Lore wise, there's absolutely no reason for it not to be there. Mechanics wise, we can't even change our names, because of all the horrible side effects that can happen if allowed. RP what you want, but you'll have to commit on character creation.
Khloros Tsero
Corvid Industries
#85 - 2014-02-27 19:37:48 UTC
What would even be the point of this?

as said before you can just change your sex in your bio if its that much of a big deal, and if you really wanted to you could make your male character look female, and vise verse, you just would not have boobs.

second on top of that, how many people really would even notice?

and third, you said that in the distant future like this it would seem not that far fetched, if any thing capsuleers would be sexless, i mean, clone breeding cant be a good thing.
Lilliana Stelles
#86 - 2014-02-27 20:06:38 UTC
Clones are perfect. Sex of clones is binary. (In the early days, it wasn't, according to dust lore soldiers would all be male and some female soldiers were given male bodies).

Non-binary sexes have no reason to exist in Eve. No Klinefelter syndrome nor other chromosomal abnormalities.

As our real-world post-social justice impragmatic society has determined that gender has nothing to do with sex, I guess that extends to your avatar. They can be "whatever you want them to be". But they're still restricted by the sex of their perfect, manufactured clone.

The dystopic future of doesn't follow those same values that reasonable human beings do, though. Hypercapitalism, slavery, and bigoted elitism rule the cluster. Fairness is a thing of the past. Classism is stronger than ever. You're already a 1% conformist from the moment you became a pod pilot. And you probably didn't get put into that position by being liberal. (At least that's how my little Caldari brain comprehends it). So play the role.

I think if more sexes were added they would have to be minmatar/gallente only to actually keep in line with the lore. In other parts of space they'd most likely face too much discrimination to ascend to capsuleer. Whoever the CEO Space Jesus of your npc corp is, he or she would probably would never promote to immortality those who he or she considered unworthy.

Not a forum alt. 

Theris Akkad
The Combined Interests Group
#87 - 2014-02-28 03:04:27 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
*snip*

The Caldari wouldn't give a **** what you identified as if you met your deadlines, the only people in the cluster who would be outraged are the stern moral guardians who layer their ships in gold leaf.
Meandering Milieu
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2014-02-28 03:57:22 UTC
I support the cultural enrichment of Eve. There should be more lore about Gallante and Minmatar infiltrating Amarr and Caldari empires with panromantic demisexual therian deathfat neotransdrone matarikin handicapped nonbinary queer fem butch male presenting vegan transethnic single mothers.

In all seriousness though, while I wouldn't ask developers to put effort into this, I wouldn't oppose it either. All of my characters on all my accounts are female and I've always seen them and played them as though they were trans people, many of them being femboys and twinks.