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Black Apok
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-12-03 18:43:25 UTC
Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts.
But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.

So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.

If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap.
That's all. Queue the flames.

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TheMercenaryKing
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2013-12-03 19:52:00 UTC
so where do we draw the line at bra/no-bra?
Black Apok
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-12-03 19:53:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Apok
I would say something that has a cup size (A,B, C, etc.) gets a bra. So gender related boobies get bras, fat related man-boobies...don't get one? or that too? it could be quite funny ;D

So this way flat chested women wouldn't have to wear bras

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GreenSeed
#4 - 2013-12-03 20:13:42 UTC
couldn't you fix this with a few lines of RP text in your bio?
Black Apok
Doomheim
#5 - 2013-12-03 20:18:38 UTC
It's less about the RP and more about the idea that in a universe where you can just create clones and adjust those clones DNA it should be easy as pie to adjust their gender as well. And give everybody some more diversity to create their characters.

It's debatable if CCP would add this to the standard customization process or if you would have to pay for a re-sculpt for this too.

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Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#6 - 2013-12-03 20:20:48 UTC
I get that this is a big deal to some people, but those people need to realize that the vast majority of EVE players (and likely designers) think in terms of a male/female dichotomy, and that the tiny minority who actually care about this probably shouldn't expect much on this front. Personally I've never played a game with any transgender character creation options, and expecting EVE to take that leap when it is virtually unheard of in the industry is unrealistic. Avatars in EVE are kind of an after-thought anyway.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2013-12-03 20:36:50 UTC
Black Apok wrote:
Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts.
But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.

So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.

If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap.
That's all. Queue the flames.


I must say, you have done a remarkable job of modifying your avatar to appear more like a transgendered person.

Personally, like sexual preference amongst individuals, don't care....so if something like this were implemented, wouldn't care (i.e. wouldn't oppose or support it).

From a Dev time and effort stand point: put it at the bottom of the list.

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Black Apok
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-12-03 20:50:28 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
I must say, you have done a remarkable job of modifying your avatar to appear more like a transgendered person.


Why thank you :P Though that wasn't my initial intention, I just wanted to make the bloke look goofy. Still wish I could just swap my gender to female but according to a petition and the GM it's not possible for them, even if they wanted.


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From a Dev time and effort stand point: put it at the bottom of the list.

I agree, as a game dev myself this wouldn't be on the top of my list. But I read a few months ago or so that they assigned a new team to the whole avatar thing and I thought of mentioning it. I'm sure there are a lot of players out there (including me^^) that would appreciate it.

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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#9 - 2013-12-03 21:26:12 UTC
I fully support this idea as long as I can be a dolphin

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TheMercenaryKing
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Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2013-12-03 21:33:44 UTC
If we critically look at this, i think we all hope one day Eve will release a "true" Incarna, and not a half baked one we had before.

Until that point, I cannot support this idea simply becuase of the potential effort that would be put into instead of elsewhere. My guess is that they would have to nearly redo the entire character creator. that effort would go into nearly marginal if any gain to the core gameplay, while it would only give a more dynamic and freedom to the identity of the in game person.
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#11 - 2013-12-03 21:53:27 UTC
let us have sex changes in station or have sex bound to clone so you can die in a male clone and wake up in a female clone or what ever :P

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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#12 - 2013-12-03 21:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Just a little reminder to keep it civil people. Keep RL out of this discussion as much as possible.
As said by another poster, this is a SF game. In New Eden tampering with DNA is trivial, although in the past some parts of humanity have gone a bit to far.....Blink


Edit: I also deleted an of topic post. ISD Ezwal.

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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals
#13 - 2013-12-03 22:03:49 UTC
ISD Ezwal wrote:
Just a little reminder to keep it civil people. Keep RL out of this discussion as much as possible.
As said by another poster, this is a SF game. In New Eden tampering with DNA is trivial, although in the past some parts of humanity have gone a bit to far.....Blink


Edit: I also deleted an of topic post. ISD Ezwal.


Are you suggesting Jovians were Dolphins?

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Praesus Lecti
The Terrifying League Of Dog Fort
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2013-12-03 22:18:01 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Black Apok wrote:
Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts.
But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.

So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.

If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap.
That's all. Queue the flames.


So you want to interject reality (or some people's views of reality) into a science fiction video game. Did you ever stop to think that within the universe of EVE the thought of transgender/multigender/wtf-ever never cropped up? That such a society might be perfectly fine with there being just 2 clearly delineated genders?
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
Black Apok
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-12-03 22:49:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Praesus Lecti wrote:
Black Apok wrote:
Gender isn't binary and neither is sex. We already have a great deal of abilities to personalize characters and change them with re-sculpts.
But something that is kinda annoying is that gender is a binary in EVE and can't be changed after initial creation.

So the idea would be to only select a faction and race in the character creation process and then get a slider between male and female. Depending on the slider the face and body meshes will be changed. Like this people could create a more manly woman, a more feminine man or change their gender.

If a re-sculpt can make you change your bone structure it should be possible to adjust a characters gender. And gender changes and adjustments shouldn't be illegal in the EVE lore either. That's some trans-phobic pile of crap.
That's all. Queue the flames.


So you want to interject reality (or some people's views of reality) into a science fiction video game. Did you ever stop to think that within the universe of EVE the thought of transgender/multigender/wtf-ever never cropped up? That such a society might be perfectly fine with there being just 2 clearly delineated genders?
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


Did you think about that sex changes have been banned by three of the empires, showing that such a thing might have been a demand that "needed" to be banned.
Also it's not about having a dong on my female or boobs on my male. It's more about being able to change genders for me. And that some people might like to have that kinda thing.

And if the avatar modes are being re-thought anyways, why not include this? Why assume a gender binary if we have the option not to. And only because some people feel uncomfortable about it for whatever reason doesn't mean that some people won't love it.

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-12-03 22:55:36 UTC
Only if I can make my character like my fursona

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El Space Mariachi
Zero Fun Allowed
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#17 - 2013-12-03 22:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
nope gender and sex are both binary


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


that said I'd be okay with more genders you can put it down to space magic or something. futas, sissyboys, catgirls (shout out to Katie Corb) and reptile genders would be a start

or perhaps hitherto unknown genders

also can we have a sexuality slider in the character creator? the full gamut from gay to straight via bisexual, asexual, fursexual, pansexual, cissexual, transsexual and sexsexual.

I'm not personally transsexual but one of my headmates is so I understand where you're coming from.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2013-12-03 23:05:43 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
I fully support this idea as long as I can be a dolphin



Great episode....

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Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-12-03 23:16:51 UTC
CSM should endorse this IMO.

No sig.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#20 - 2013-12-03 23:17:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Right, the OP has the right to post an idea to discuss and has the right to expect a civil and healthy discussion as a result.
You don't have to agree, but post your arguments in a civil manner please!

I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
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And no, the Jovians have never been, are not and most probably will not ever be Dolphins.....

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