Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No, the entire ship should get canned and we should just pretend it never existed.

Probably people just want at least something out of this stuff

A black ops ship can jump to a cyno...

Can you imagine how hard it would be to catch a ship that could warp cloaked, jump to a cyno and light a cyno to bring in backup?

CCP logic that the black ops ship should be the only battleship hull to possible have a covet cloak in the future is flawed.

You know one solution to the thing simply not being worth 2 Billion is to drop the LP back to say a bit over double a Stratios ... say 300 LP per Nestor.

iv really tried to give thought as to where the nester would excel and i think iv finally worked it out.

this ship would make a grate alliance tournament armor logi for a tinker set up. assuming that the rules will be just a prohibitive as last tournament then you have you self quite the ship.

battle ship armor res tank.

remote armor reps with a little extra range to mitigate bumping issues that T3s get

abundance of mid slots at mitigate sensor damps and jams

2 more lock targets than T3s

and drones which are the current meta of damage play and/or set of heavy logi drones with extra HP.

so to conclude you will sell about 10 of these ships for their niche appeal. yay! \o/

@ CCP Rise,

There are two things I see this ship benefiting from which have already been discussed very heavily on both in this and other threads:

"* Covert cloaking - we discussed this extensively and ultimately agreed that it is both too powerful, and also should belong on a tech 2 battleship before a pirate faction if it were to happen.
* Ship maintenance arrays - we talked about this a lot as well but the new personal depots cover this function nicely without ever leading to afk gameplay (which would be a risk if it was on the Nestor)."

CCP has worried about rebalancing ships and developing balanced, non-over powered ships for forever, even though the fan base calls for a few select ships to be beefed up. I say if this is really a sandbox set in the time of an Empire stand off, why should it be?

Functionally, the balancing of characteristics should hold true for standard empire ships and even faction ships, especially navy vessel. However, independent and autonomous pirate factions should not be bound to this. CCP's doctrine of buffing anything deemed over powered has become misguided and gotten out of hand.  Case and point Black Ops Battleships.  Why not make them Covert Cloaking capable?  It makes no sense that a covert themed T2 anything would not make use of this be it a bomber, recon, or yes, even battleship. I think that was a mistake from the beginning not to include that. There is a reason they are T2, and its because they are superior.  You can make these ships as weak or powerful as you want as long as they are balanced by equally powerful ships of the other races. 

Secondly, CCP has already introduced the idea of rare, valuable, and over-powered T2 empire and pirate faction ships as rewards to those winners of the alliance tournaments. These new SoS Ships also display incredibly T2 like attributes and one might argue that these ships should be balanced to be more inline with other pirate faction capabilities. This would agree with my previous statements above, however, these ship already clearly display capabilities far in excess of their other faction counterparts.

Again, I ask, why not beef up some ships some what disproportionately? I would say the Nestor should have both a Cov. Ops. Cloak and a SMA capability, but with the current stats I think that is greedy, so give us one.

In my honest opinion I think the role of this ship is all wrong, if it were me, I would kill the laser bonuses and make it a covert mobile logistics and re-fit vessel. The theme seems to be trending that way anyway, why else would you depict a shuttle docking bay, but then never make a functional element of the ship? Lame Sauce.

Consider the idea guys. Be willing to risk experiment with themes like that. Eve is highly technological rat race, Empire Cold War! Make them push the envelop of norms and capabilities. Forward Until Dawn!

P.S. I am really am excite to see where these new jump gates and implants are headed. I hope its Jove Space or better!

And we need a "superior" Dominix for what exactly?

On reconsideration, I think the Nestor should have a Covert Ops cloak after all. From the slot layout and power grid you're not going to be able to maximize exploration, logistics and combat without really sacrificing a lot. It doesn't have enough mid or low slots to either be a true shield or tank beast without also sacrificing a lot of offensive capability.

There is a very important reason that covert ops capable ships are designed the way they are. Covert ops cloaks are probably the most powerful pvp modules in the game available to the average player. It allows a ship to move within a system with near impunity and to be immune to all but the best gate camps. This is good for flying around and looking at things but the true power of a covops cloak is that it allows a ship, or a fleet of ships, to always have the decision of engagement, to dictate initial engagement range, and always have the element of surprise over your prey. Therefore it is essential for balance that cloaky ships not be able to go toe to toe with combat orientated ships or risk people completely abandoning noncloaky hulls due to their huge disadvantage of always being prey.

BSs are inherantly designed for dealing out and absorbing massive amounts of dps, exactly what a covert ops ship cannot offer if it is to be balanced. Further more, in order to properly utilize a covert cloak requires that you'r ship's base speed be relatively high since it wouldn't matter to the camp you jumped into if you are going 100m/s or 0m/s, they can still decloak you just as easily except now you are a huge target without the strong tank and guns of a normal BS.

I'm just gonna reiterate my earlier point.

Cost really won't make a huge difference here guys. Even if it only cost 350 mil (current price of stratios), people would still use:
~a tengu, legion, or stratios for exploration.
~a dominix or guardian for pvp
~a domi for mission running (the tracking bonus just makes it sooo much better)

Making the ship cheaper won't solve anything, you go from having an expensive piece of **** to having a cheap piece of ****. It's still a piece of **** either way.