Player Features and Ideas Discussion

No one is going to spend 2 bil isk for a 20km large remote armor/large shield transfer platform.
For same price u can field 10 logistics or a carrier with capital RR and 2 mil ehp.

Low mass BS, is it a joke? Cool some WH dude can think about it but i'm pretty sure T3 perform better for many reasons.
Will the " low mass and not so good RR " be the special features of this 2 bil toy? that's all? really?

Dude stratios is a cruiser and can be bridged by black ops.
It actually can deal a bit less damage than a gank fitted black op for 1/3 of the price.
Nestor and stratios right now are on 2 whole different universes.
Also stratios is one of the (if not the) most big covert cloak damage dealer around.

While i too consider out of discussion a covert cloak on a BS hull, it will need a better " special feature " for the price is gonna cost.
20km rep range is just bad.

Dont some incursion sites have repair turrets that need to be hacked? Not saying its the smart way to run the site... but there is content to use it.

I'm not really the expert here; but it seems that this is a ship meant specifically for wormhole ops, when you don't have a lot of pilots to work with (2-3). A Dominix could do as much damage with sentries, a logi could do better at repping, another exploration ship could do just as well with scanning or hacking, but the only other ships that could do all of these at once are strategic cruisers.

Show me a 2-3 man gang that fields a 2 billion isk ship in wormhole space and i'll show you 2-3 expensive and unnecessary loss mails.

Although I think the small tweaks that Rise and the rest of CCP have applied to the Nestor have helped, I still don't think it's in a good place. I know the 'Role Bonuses' are supposed to help it fit more of a generalist role, but the number of unrelated and lack luster bonuses just end up making it feel unfocused.

The Nestor is supposed to represent the core ideals of the SoE and use their newest tech, it seems like the design shifted away from these ideas and more towards the 'That's nice to have' side of the spectrum. Since most pirate BSs have Two race specific bonuses and one role bonus, I'd actually like to see a few of the role bonuses dropped in order to give the ship more of an identity.

Both the Gallente drone bonus and Amarr armor bonuses make sense to me. The optimal laser range bonus seems to be a decent role bonus to tie the line together a little bit better, although it's not quite as powerful as the Role bonuses from the other pirate factions.

In theory we could leave it there, the Nestor would be slightly less powerful then other pirate BSs, but it wouldn't be worthless (when comparing stats, I'm not going in to price).

In order to bring it into line, I would suggest one last role bonus to give it a focus. We have a number of different options, but I'd like to see the bonus represent the Sisters, and not just a 'nice to have'. So we'd probably want to look at something that has an 'Exploration' or 'Helping' vibe. There are a number of options, but the Nestor would probably benefit from losing many of the Role Bonuses it currently has and instead of focusing on one, or two, main abilities.

If there's one point I'd like to get across it's this: In Eve a ship with a number of lesser abilities isn't a Jack of all trades, it's generally just weaker and less memorable. You need to give people a reason to WANT to use a ship over anything else.

I find it puzzling that you can say a) that SoE ships should focus on exploration and b) that it doesn’t make sense that they should cloak in the same breath. The ability to cloak, either covertly or (as I and others have suggested) with a bonus to movement speed is a boon to exploration (among other things). That seems fairly uncontroversial here. (And by the way, lore-wise, the Sisters have been using cloaky ships—the Sin, Nemesis, and Helios are explicitly named—since the run-up to Incursion, at least.)

Either way, these are meant to be mechanic-driven exploration (or exploration support) ships. It’s possible to respect the SoE lore without letting it dictate what design best fits that mechanic.

If you forget about the 2b price tag, I assume we could see it drop to around 400m like the other pirate BS over an extended period, is there anything you would use it for?

I was looking at the Rattlesnake yesterday, which is similar in the drone/tank layout, and it was selling for 400m.

You should also keep in mind that this is the first Pirate faction that has T4s available in highsec, which is probably attractive to certain players. Cost is directly related to demand anyways, if no one buys a Nestor at 2b the prices will just keep dropping until people start finding them attractive.

Just an Idea, but how about general Changes to the complete Ship?

Right now its a mess, it is designed to do everything but then failes to even remotely compete with specialized ships. Why not try to find something "new" for the Nestor?


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First of all, think of what this ship could be capable of and what would be unneddessary. Should this ship go for a more supportive role than simply remove any sort of weapon based bonus and reduce the ammount of high and turret slotts. This way you wont even remotely get the urge to make it a viable weapon platform.

Or go for the offensive part and improve the weapon based boni while reducing its versatility.


But since outperforming other BS in terms of damage is kinda pointles, lets go for the suport role.

So what are his offensive boni? Drone damage, drone bandwith, turret hardpoints and lasee optimal range. Just remove the boni and lower the stats (like 75 bandwith and 0 turret hardpoints)

Now we got a defenceles 2b piniata... Well, that was ****, wasnt it? But increasing the offensive power would contradict the support role and neutral nature of the sisters of eve.

How about instead of 10% to drone damage it gets 10% to utility drone abilitys like ECM, Stasis Webbifier or Remote Rep Drones, thus giving the ship a way to defend itself and help others. To increase this kind of versatility, how about an even bigger dronebay, like 1.000m³ or more and maybe the ability to launch more than 5 drones? This way it would be the first purely drone based subcapital out there, not perfect or "strong" but "special" and his 10 Hobgoblins would do the same ammount of damage as the ones of every other drone based ship out there so it can at least kill taklefrigs.

75mb bandwith would enable the ship to use 10 light or 7 medium drones but not more than 3 sentrys/Heavy drones. Since no one uses large utility drones this is no problem, 10 light ECM will definitely be something to consider when engaging this ship and with a large enough dronebay it can afford to leave drones behind.


Still, with all this stuff no one in his right mind would field one of those in PvP combat. But we still have the remote repair boni, dont we?

Well, as is mentioned multiple times, they have no use in space since there are multiple ships (more than 10 subcapital) capable of doing the same for way lower cost. But you want to keep the supportive role?

How about you give the ship some sort of passive rolebonus like +5% or +10% to remoterep range, duration and/or capusage in the fleet? Same for scan probe strength. Make it so that other pilots need the support of a nestor to get the maximum effect out of their modules.

Give it some fleetbonus for reactivationdelay of MJD
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Have it increase the warpspeed of the whole fleet
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Make it an stationary MJD for other ships like the module you want to implement, maybe with an aditional fuelbay?
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How about a general bonus to hitpoints?
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How about the ability to deactivate a bubble for a couple of seconds? (2-3s)
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How about a bonus working together with other sisters of eve ships, further improving their exploration capabilities?
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How about a generic +5% to all E-war stuff?


There are tons of ways to give the ship a function, not relying on firepower that even the largest fleets out there would
appreciate, make it a true support ship.

You have multiple options to balance this, my prefered one would be by removing slotts and thus propably creating the Battleship with the lowest slotcount but since it does not rely on weapons it does not need that many slotts, that otherwise would be used for weapons, damagemods etc.



We already have more than enough 1.000+ DPS Battleships and Battlecruisers out there, we dont need another one of those and we have plenty of dedicated electronic warfare ships, cloacky stuff and repairships. When we need one of those we use the dedicated ships because they do a better job with lower costs. (Hell, you can fit a deadspace Oneiros and still have some money left over...)



No matter what you do, just dont try to create the ship that wants to do everything a little but nothing right.