Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Exactly. Scrap the current design. Forget whatever plan you had originally. It isn't going to work. The ship is all over the place and doesn't do anything well enough to justify its price.

I think the core issue comes down to what its intended for.

If its suposed to be for exploration, then it needs a 15 virus str to justify its use vs any other hacking ship, and it also really should have a covert ops capability. All the remote repping and gun bonuses could then be removed.

If it is intended for exploration SUPPORT (instead of direct exploration), then its scanner/hacking gun bonuses can be removed. It should however be given a SMA capable of holding at least a single frigate. Its repping bonuses should also be set for cycle speed, reduced cap use and range instead of power. Also the ability to jump directly to a covert cyno would make it viable for supporting fleets in 0.0 and LS, but have no impact on WH ops. The increased velocity while cloaked is also nice, but a elimination of targeting resolution penaly would likely be desireable as well esp if expected to be repping.

If its intended for direct combat, then remove the logi and hacking bonuses. Consider leaving the scanner bonus.

Another option to consider, dont make it a battleship, downgrade it to a battlecruiser. This would make it significantly more affordable and likely to be used, even in its current unenviable form. (EHP, PG, and CPU might need downgrading with this approach.)

Rise, please read this:

I know sometimes I am a bit.. agressive when I complain of your ideas. But this time I agree with you. But I hope you can take this as an opportunity to eveluate somethign. Why people think all these bonuses are weak?


Because T1 and t2 logis are both far too powerful!!!!


Large remote repiarers shoudl be stronger. But logis of t1 or t2 shoudl be way way weaker. Think how much weaker they would need to be so this ship would be considered a good ship.

Wait... you are serious?


To make a bad ship become a reasonable option you want to nerf existing ships?

Fact is, a logistic BS will never work because part of the effectivity of Logistics is their small signature radius, which a BS will never get.

If you want repairs from capable ships with a nearly 100% hit signature (400m or more) you can already field Carriers. Those cost nearly the same, have more hitpoints, better tank and remote repair ability.


There is absolutely no need for a logistic BS, aside from maybe one or two special cases in PvE teritory.



Or in other words, to make this ship a viable option for a logistic pilot you need to nerf T1 Logistics, T2 Logistics, Carriers and maybe even the Dominix / Armageddon beyond hope. 14 Ships nerfed to **** because CCP has no idea what the field for this ship is. Because "exploration" is not.

OMG?! How did we get from making this thing reasonable to nerf the **** out of everything else? lol

Well still can't think of a useful purpose for this ship.

Not alot of reason to use this in PvP. A Logi will be much cheaper, more survivable (sig/speed/range), and about on par for skills needed (yes they are op'd, but they are still a fact of the game). Sure the Nestor has massive base rep power, but it's still just a T1 BS which is so damn fat and slow that a Dread could probably hit it reliably. Why would I ever use a Nestor?

And for PvE it still doesn't make much sense. For missions, a Domi does the same job but better. And for exploration a T3/Stratios is faster, more maneuverable, covert cloaks, and is harder to scan out. So again, why use a Nestor?

Maybe a possible solution is to start adding in Hack/Relic stuff to missions? That way it could be useful there. Not saying that the Hack/Relic should be needed to complete the mission, just an added bonus on top. I don't know. Still just seems a massive waste of ISK for little actual benefit. Hopefully there is more to the Nestor that I am just not seeing.

Remove the exploration bonuses and replace them with something that's actually useful.

Scanning Battleship? Is this a complete joke or something?

You're not alone. And this isn't intended as an outright criticism, either. Sure, the art is "subjective" - but there are so many dogs in EVE that need some TLC that I think it's time to call it a day on offering aesthetic suggestions for improvement.

This is supposed to be an exploration ship, so let's summarize what it does well - and what it could do even better.
• Lasers/drones … ± Standard SoE theme, so no objections
• Probe/scanning … ± Not my particular thing, but since all the other SoE ships have it...
• Faster warp speed … +1 Ties-in nicely with the exploration theme (now all we need is a -50% CPU reduction penalty for hyperspace rigs and this thing will be rockin')
• Logistics … -2 For all the reasons above (more effective and cheaper alternatives, so just nix it)

The Nestor has lower mass, so what about a faster align time to augment the warp capabilities? That rescue shuttle still intrigues me; wouldn't it be cool if it could be launched? When deployed, it would auto-block any warp disruption attempts against friendly pods within a 10km radius...

And the other thing...

It'd be good in the alliance tournament, assuming the rules change/don't change to accommodate it.

Do an armor tinker tank, but replace the Legion with the Nestor. You'll get much more repping power (50% bonused medium reps vs large), larger tank, while providing 450 dps via drones with an exceptional amount of mids for ECCM, etc.. You could even make it your flagship as well with it being a logistics battleship, although the flagship really doesn't add much to drone assist teams. You'd get to use two deadspace reppers though, so that's nice.

Outside of that very structured form of small gang warfare the Nestor looks to be a terrible waste of money that will only be a liability on the battlefield.