Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok. I don't know what lies ahead down the road in the Seagulls vision. There might be some content planned that will require a hull such as current-iteration Nestor to complete. We already have them ghost sites which can send you sky high if you make a slip, but as many already said, they can easily be run other ships, especially T3s. However, as things stand now, Nestor would have a hard time fitting into meta of New Eden.

What do you want this ship to be? It has slots of an oversized Gnosis, role bonuses befitting a frigate and dis-balanced stats that make it clumsy at best.

The only use for its low mass is when jumping into WHs, where there isn't much you can do with drones. If you wanted to give Nestor a blops-hotdrop effect in WH environment, they'd need much more than just mass bonus. Some cloak bonus to start with. Aside from that, the low mass will only allow you to get bumped more easily out of your already small RR range.

Probing and hacking bonus - scrap it!! If I wanted to safely run ghost sites in null sec I'd use a tanky, cov ops fitted and nullifed T3 - it can outdo Nestor at it's own game in every aspect. And for exploration in general, what's the use for a ship that can ~relatively~ well run the sites if you can't get it there. it's a battleship, and a slow-ass one to boot. Ofc, this could just be Fozzie trolling us with a useless bonus, like he did with Chremoas. But come on, at least give us some useful ones as well

Now, looking at its class bonuses (resists, drone bonus, laser optimal), I'll take into account the few days I spent flying Stratios around high sec for a few days. To start with, the ONLY reason I even considered Stratios is because you geniuses kicked T3s out of high sec DEDs. Everywhere else there are no such restrictions. And looking at all the other, more optimal, options for low security exploration (T3s, Black Opses, Marauders), I can't see any reason whatsoever why I'd use current-iteration Nestor for this purpose. Back to my time with Stratios, I was able to fit it pretty decently to run high sec complexes. Sentries tend to do most of the work and the only thing I use the two guns I have fitted is to pull agro and kill some mid-range frigs. So the optimal range bonus is kinda wasted in my opinion.

Now, as for the RR bonus..in low security PVE situations, I can get similar results with Armageddon..at 1/8 the cost. In PVE, you'll be using sentries and won't be moving much, so RR range isn't that critical. I can't speak for PVP as I don't have much experience there. But even in that case there should be plenty of cheaper and more optimal options than Nestor.

And only 11250 MW PG on an Amarr battleship with 5 turret slots? Seriously? Yeah, in 90% situations the highs will be filled with RRs and cap transfers, but why give it another useless laser range bonus then?


All in all, this ship is all over the place [space?]. You really need to make up your minds on what role this ship is to fill in THE CURRENT New Eden. Seagulls vision is fine and all, but we don't need a battleship that will MAYBE become useful 3 years down the road - we need something that we can use NOW.

P.S. FFS don't even think about nerfing T3s just to make this ship useful - it won't end well

This battleship is trying to be all things to all players. It needs more focus. Why does everything have to be about DPS?

There are specialised EWAR battleships that function as larger recon cruisers: the Scorpion, Widow, Bhaalgorn for example. There are no logistics battleships.

The frigate and cruiser in the SOE range are effectively T1 covert ops ships (where the Heron, Magnate, etc are T1 exploration ships). Many (not most, just many) were hoping for a pirate-faction BLOPS.

So here's my idea:

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% armour resistances per level
5% less capacitor requirement for capacitor transfers per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
20% to drone velocity per level

Black Ops Skill Bonuses:
125% cloaked velocity per level
10% bonus to range of remote repairers and capacitor transfers per level

Role Bonuses:
+15 virus strength for relic and data analysers
can fit covert cynosural field generators
can fit covert jump portal generators

Cargo Capacity: 300
Fuel Bay: 3000
Turrets/Launchers: 0

… remaining stats as per current design, noting that consistent with other SOE ships, there is no reduction in targeting delay after decloaking.

This ship will be a cheaper Etana (i.e.: black ops logistics), noting that the capacious drone bay and high drone bandwidth allow this ship to use large logistics drones, with the drone velocity bonus allowing those drones to get their repairs delivered in a timely manner. Also by removing the drone HP and damage bonus, we don't usurp other drone based ships such as the Stratios, Dominix, Gila, Rattlesnake, or Armageddon. Especially of importance is that removing the drone DPS bonus doesn't continue to push null sec warfare to "warp on grid, deploy drones, assist, go make a sandwich." The logistics bonuses from this battleship don't push logistics cruisers out of their roles either.

Increase the virus strength bonus by 5 so that there is an extra incentive to actually use this ship for hacking, rather than just brick-tanking a Stratios.

To put the cherry on the cake, just add structure repair drones to the SOE & CreoDron LP stores. Structure repair drones could repair very slowly, we don't mind since the SOE ships are designed for long term deployment to start with.

edited to reduce bonuses and shift focus to Black Ops skill.

it needs to stay as SOE.

Drones,

Lazors,

Scanning,

Cov ops.

jump distances gonna get nerfed as well as some capship.supers get nerfed/buffed/tweeked in the near future

Rise,

Great design. I love the low mass idea, I love how it's an expensive spider tanking boat. Rep range OR rep amount are equally as powerful in my eyes. It's fine that it can't take a covert bridge or cloak. That's balanced. BLOPS do not need a good logi boat. A -100% cpu cost to REGULAR cloaks would be fine and might quell the "Omg! it has no cloak bonus! Waaaaa!"

However, the 6 mids is what I'm a little worried about.

6 mids can be a little overpowered for an armor boat for a couple of reasons:

-Lots of drone tracking and optimal. Basically ogres are going to hit as often as hammerheads.
-Lots of cap rechargers for pve (I really don't care about this, just pointing it out)
-Tons of ECCM. This includes projected ECCM, a very strong force multiplier for any fleet. Honestly what I'm most worried about. One way to counter guardians and other logi is the double racial ECM trick. Together they have a ~42% chance of jamming the standard guardian. With projected ECCM, this isn't an option.
-Tons of close-range tackle. Important for any armor fleet.

If you want to move a mid to a low, that's ok with me. It will tank crazy but we have plenty of things that can tank crazy already.

Otherwise, I like the choice of optimal range bonus instead of tracking. I laugh at a group of these sitting still trying to use sentries while cruisers orbit.

Oh my god, a logi ship that isn't a triage carrier, that can stay on the field until the last moment with a reasonable chance of survival, delivering reps until the moment it jumps itself out?

God, PLEASE, let that happen. If not now, SOON.

Now I wish the Stratios was retroactively rebalanced to a support vessel as well - I can't seem to fit the turrets in any sensible fashion anyway.

It feels like people are trying to make this a ship that can do everything. I agree with the previous comment though:

Keep it using lasers, drones and focused on exploration and covert ops. Give it a cloaking bonus or the ability to jump to covert cynos which can be lit by a vessel WITH cloaking bonus. But don't let it light a jump portal - that's a silly idea.

TL:DR

- Lasers
- Drones
- Covert Cyno Jumpdrive OR Cloak Bonus (Not both)
- Exploration Bonus (Coherence etc....)

That to me would be a very snazzy SoE BS that I would love to take into null with a couple of Stratios' flying alongside it.

Ok you brought it down to null in a carrier, now you have to fly between systems to find/run sites. With how slow BS align and go into warp there is no way cloak + mwd is going to save you if there are interceptors at a camp waiting to decloak you

Cause there are no BS's to be found in WH's now..

It's not getting a CovOps Cloak.. Ever.
Covops BS would be Broken.. We don't need gangs of CovOps BS's roaming around low and null.