Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I tried the Nestor again on sisi last night in a 3- man gang. 2 Nestors and a glia for tackling (just a guy we met up with).

Conclusion: in the unnatural environment of sisi, against ill disciplined groups of individuals, the pair was successful. Remote reps were sufficiently strong to allow us to take down a series of singular targets one by one.

Against a unified force I am convinced that it will lack sufficient mobility and damage projection. It is outperformed by less expensive ships. I cannot see it becoming part of a pvp fleet, even though I'd like to see it happen.

I couldn't agree more.

A pvp marauder tanks better and does more dps. A well-flown pirate BS pair would have utterly murdered us.

A couple of T1 cruisers supported by some T1 logi would have eventually killed us.

I agree with the premise that incremental performance gains should have geometric price tags, but the Nestor goes too far with that idea.

It's worth around 500m to me. About the same as a rattlesnake.

The stratios makes a good forward scout and initial tackle in W-space. Its tank is strong enough to survive until your fleet arrives.

No, you won't see fleets of them but you'll often find me in one. Same goes for the astero actually - it can survive against most larger targets in single armour rep + AB configuration.

I finally lost my first one it to a fleet of 9 last night after foolishly engaging a revenge bait navy augoror :-)

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Nestor is not at all like them. It's overpriced garbage.

Just like the Tempest ....

Good point.

The Astero and Stratios are popular simply because they offer entry-level covert ops cloaking ability. Period. They offer a low-cost SP equivalent to covert ops and strategic cruisers at a slight price premium. This is the only reason the ~$100m and ~$350m price tags are even remotely justified.

The Nestor offers absolutely nothing to justify the outrageous $2b cost - even if it offered a Covert Ops cloak. You could knock the price down by half and players still aren't going to touch it. This ship is DOA, and I still can't believe they let CCP Rise have a hand in this after the RLML fiasco…

The only way to ensure this ship gets overhauled is to boycott it (which shouldn't be hard considering the price).

You seem to forget 1 thing about the ship. The cost of this ship after fitting this is going to cost between 2-.2.5 bil to fit if this ship is spotted in a wormhole expect it to be the first thing targeted.

I think you have a point, but you're missing something extremely valuable about the astero and stratios.

In the hands of a player with good skills, both these ships come close to being 'best in class' as taking initial tackle from being cloaked.

The astero with a 1mn afterburner is fast, small and insanely strong. You can buffer it to 10000ehp or self rep it for a 300dps perms-rep while it orbits its victim at 1000m/s with dual tackle (scram/web or scram/scram). That means it easily tanks a couple of ratting T3s you caught on the hop until the cavalry arrives.

The stratios can do something that until previously, only a T3 could. It can decloak, get into a tight orbit at 600m/s and self repair at close to 900dps (with a gang link) while dealing out 500dps plus a medium neut. It's an extremely effective and strong covert tackler. You can even dual-prop it. If you don't like self-reapair it is still effective when plated up to 80,000ehp before fleet boosts.

These ships have a clear and effective role in PVP. In many ways the stratios performs better than a T3 at target discovery and tackle since it does not need to give away DPS in order to get a covert ops ability. It has two minor downsides: no combat probes in combat fit (but most of your targets are at a signature anyway) and 20 second delay to re-cloak so you have to time your gate/wormhole jumps accordingly.

None of this can be said for the Nestor.

Yes. I need this in my hangar. For spinning purposes.

2 things.

Needs free high slots for drone links and the calibration is a little "light". What is the point of having a turret bonus when most users will need those slots for remote reppers, drone links, probe launcher... etc.
8 highs please.

Calibration should be at 400. I'd like to put t2 rigs on my loot pinata.

Pirate ships all have 350.


Perhaps, but the mids are there to augment the exploration bonuses.