Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I saw a post yesterday where someone casually suggested the Nestor be a BC instead of a BS, and I don't hate the idea.

It seems like CCP is very hesitant on giving a Covert Ops cloak to a BS, at least not before doing a balance pass on the Black Ops BS. It's a reasonable point, if the Nestor had one at BS level it would quickly make many of the Black Ops ships obsolete. If the Nestor was dropped down a weight class, and given the Covert Ops cloak like the other SoE ships, it would have a fairly unique role.

On one hand, it wouldn't carry the firepower of the other pirate fraction top tier ships, but on the other hand it would outgun any other covert ops vessel. If it received the same set of role/training bonuses as the rest of the SoE line, it would be a powerful addition to stealth operations, but still get outgunned by BS, have the speed and maneuverability to hack, although not as well as smaller vessels, and add a little variety to the BC lineup.

I haven't see anything that said the Nestor HAS to be a BS, I think it's just to provide a little balance to the Pirate LP options. This way, the Nestor doesn't replace the Black Ops, and gets a unique role in the field.

**EDIT** I'm assuming it would lose the RR bonuses, to gain the CovertOps.

I think the best alternative is to postpone it...

I think CCP's lack of imagination and vision is more to blame than players who simply wanted a full set like other factions.

I'm inclined to agree. There's been a few threads about battleships being dead or useless over the last few months, and the marauders threadnaught was probably the biggest I've ever seen, and unless CCP learnt from that thread, the Black Ops thread is going to be even bigger.

Until they've properly defined the existing BS roles, it's just too early to introduce a new battleship. Get that Blops balance pass done first. As others are suggesting, I'm leaning more towards making it a BC, at the moment.

I fully and completely support this idea.

Add the cov cloak, disallow covert bridging.

While you're at it, remove turrent modifier, add agility boost or something.

Again, stealthy support/explo vessels. Thats what you said SoE ships are.

Also, don't give blops cov cloak. Covertly warping, moving, jumping is far too powerful a method of rendering all defenses mute except POS shields.

And we all know how much we like hiding inside POS shields.

I don't see a lot of Nestors materializing. Aside from the fact that the $2-billion price tag is a huge impediment, those that do undock are going to find themselves the target of Tornado gank gangs wherever they go (even more so than Marauders). Plus they can't be insured, so you're basically rolling the dice on a $2 billion+ ISK investment every time you jump. Any T1 ship that can do the same job will cost a fraction of the cost for minimal risk.

Only if you exclude cost, so no - they didn't. Why would you take a Nestor over something like a Rattlesnake or Nightmare?

Though the Rattler is overly cheap and has been since it's key PvE role has been taken over by the T1 Domi. (the Rattlers are currently so cheap I am considering buying 10 or 20 on the assumption they are likely to improve and go back up in price after the next balance)

To be fair the current Nestor stats are sort of in line with the 1.0 bill plus pirate ships .. not a 400 mill rattler. it just does not seem to be worth the 2 to 3 billion the LP costs are pointing towards.

Change the virus strength and probe bonus to an "explosion suppression bonus" within a certain radius of the ship. Less damage caused by ghost site explosions with an added bonus of bomb resistance(not immunity)in the same radius figure 8k like its reppers . Maybe it would have to be a module: can fit explosion suppression unit.

Or to scrap the idea altogether. This and the TP nerf are dumbass moves on CCP's part.