Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because we already have combat ships designed for exploration, so why do we need another?

What we do not have is a viable cloaky logistics ship (unless you are an AT winner).

Wouldn't it be better to have something new than to have existing roles repeated in a new hull that is not fit for purpose?

I think that at the end of the day, the ship itself is not the essential issue here. In its current iteration it is a decent plaything, very adaptive.

What I think is lost is the price. It needs to be cut.... roughly in half.

That can be done in a few ways of course. Up the conversion rate for concord LP and primarily reduce the LP cost for ship/BPC.

That would bring it in line with other Pirate BSs. This thing properly fitted simply could not cover its own cost through its utility.

Personally, I think if you are going to do a logi battleship, it should be done like a triage carrier, not the mauraders.

I also think the rep idea is neat, but doesnt fall in line with the other two ships, namely it cant cloak and warp at same time. I am in the pro cloak side of this argument.

My biggest issue/fear is that you can have this ship potentially as a logi hub, spidering with several others. It will apply tremendous DPS through sentries (via drone bunny) while providing local reps to snipers/itself. It will be heavily tanked and largely immobile. Current logis rely on signature and speed to tank, this will not. It will be raw tank as well as DPS and logi. Wouldn't replace ships but could potentially create a much larger force projection onto battlefield for those with money. This is essentially buying power. Yes the pirate ships are powerful, but full of weakness in their own way. This Nestor has far fewer I think.

In only this will it "potentially" be worth the price however I think it is still too high even for the above mentioned specialized situation.

Make that $2.5-$3 billion ISK, because there's no way players are going to be running T1 modules on a $2-billion hull. So think of the $2-billion Nestor as the base model. $3-billion "nicely equipped"...

^ I like that senario. Maybe salvaging bonuses should should be added in place of the turret bonuses to make a nomadic Nestor fleet more viable... And a covert cloak of course

The best thing of the nestor.. is that MY alt will be able to run missions on its vargur more safely.. because suicide gankers will be hunting NESTORS instead :P

Is that an idea that would be preferable for some? To convert it completely away from being a battleship and turn it into a combat-mini-"orca"-support-ship, minus the ore bays and bonuses to survey range & mining links, minus gun/launcher slots, and give it tractor, salvage & RR bonuses, an SMA & small corp hangar, and drone defenses, perhaps with bonuses to repair drones only?
(I was thinking it would keep it's armour resistance bonuses, as I'm assuming it's meant to be out in the field with the rest of the gang, and that off-grid boosts will one day be nerfed.)

What about command links - should it have those, or is that encroaching too much on the domain of the command ships?
Clonebay? Too much like a Rorqual?

Probably too drastic a change at this late stage (depending on how close 1.1 is being released).

Btw, I was googling the release date for Rubicon 1.1, and it's already been released!!!

+1 on the Covert Ops Cloak/salvaging bonus idea.

I hadn't considered tractor/salvage bonuses because they would be yet another change though I suppose they would be on the table as well. I was mainly thinking of making room for the SMA and fleet hanger by stripping the role bonuses it wouldn't need such as the scanning and virus bonus as well as either the RR bonuses or the laser optimal depending on what it needs to be balanced. The skill bonuses I would like to stay and I do think command links would be stepping to far onto the BC side of the line for comfort with a clone bay off the table completely as only capital ships have them and it would detract from the temporary lodging and migratory nature of Anoikis.

Don't worry to much over the Nestor's release date. I think we would all prefer CCP to release a working ship late then a crappy ship now that they will have to fix later.


I agree and I've even done it myself for a little while but having an Orca in the fleet requires a pilot to sit in a safe, cloaked the entire time and this is generally regulated to an alt because sitting there gets boring after the first couple seconds. A support Nestor would be able to participate in combat along side the rest of it's fleet and flown by a main if the fleet has any interest in keeping such an important ship alive. Plus, like I said above, Orcas are unwieldy when trying to move around quickly and they lack any semblance of grace or stealth. Granted, with larger bays an Orca supported fleet would be able to stay out longer than a Nestor supported one but the greater usability of the Nestor provided by a cloaked velocity bonus and weapons in addition to not wasting a pilot's talents by cloaking them somewhere and leaving them to rot would be preferable.

P.S. To say it again, there is no way the Nestor is getting a covops cloak so can we drop it please and focus on what we can improve. Rise has already said his team would look at a cloaked velocity bonus so that is the most important and relevant potential change with a SMA being less likely considering that it would require a greater effort to balance and more changes from what we already have.

If not the covops cloak (I guess we can work around that one with a normal cloak), then what would make it worth the inevitable cost?

Simple idea:

What if we left its current middle of the road bonuses, and gave it its own module:

Remote Computation Subprocessor (high)

This module adds +10 to targeted ships virus strength.
This module reduces targeted ships probe scanning times by 50%

Tada. Exploration support ship with some teeth. Give it a nice hefty range bonus so that it's operational at around 100km to cover a whole site's worth of buddies from the middle, and you've got a sensible centerpiece of your exploration fleet.