Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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EDIT: I still think that a significant sensor recalibration penalty would go a long way towards offsetting balance concerns with a covert-capable battleship.

Is it better at PVE than the existing battleships in eve? No? Then the last thig we need is another dps platform design for level 4 mission farming.

I'm just going to come out and say it, only an idiot would design a exploration ship without either a cloak or some kind of navigational bonuse.

I went to null for sites, it's tanker than a hyperion, has the output of a domi, can do its own scaning, and is built to work in small teams.

If it had a cloak it would be un unstoppable monster, if it has a spotter it can go anywhere, and it does have navigation bonuses: 2.5 au warp and the align of a shield BC. It's the only battleship I've used that's light enough to do the MWD cloak trick.

The ship simply isn't needed. Most BS are capable of handling any site the Nestor can and when you need something better, we have the brand new bastion enabled marauders to aim for.

2.5 AU warp speed ain't worth ****! And if you have a spotter to check gate camps for you, that spotter could also be in a covert ops that can scan and run data/relic sites, making the ship and it's bonuses even more pointless.

A cloak does not make a ship an "unstoppable monster". A BS with a cloak will be far easier to catch than the smaller hulls that already have a cloak.

If you increased the sensor recalibration time to the 20-30s range I don't think removing the guns would be necessary, but that's me.

A cloak would make this ship overpowered. Themepark carebears are only happy with power creep, the more they cry, the better CCP is doing it's job.

I live in wormhole space and know all about cloaks my friend :)

The dps will always be an issue because you can simply get a friend in a smaller ship to point a target, and have the Nestor melt it when it gets a lock.

I agree that if the Nestor got a cloak it would be a good idea to give it a longer recalibration time that a cruiser. Between 8 and 10 seconds would do it.

Granted—but how is that different from having a small ship (say an Astero or other covops) point a target, and then having a battleship warp in from some nearby off-grid location? In that scenario, you’re probably applying battleship DPS faster than a recalibration-penalized Nestor would. You could even have the off-grid BS sit with a prototype cloak until the target is pointed. EDIT: though in that case you're probably getting about the same time-to-DPS-application; forgot about the scan res penalty.



Oh, the test server! Why have I not thought to check the test server! What a fool I’ve been!

I have been and am continuing to use the ship on the test server, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who has done so and still is dissatisfied. Its cap life is horrendous, and its bonuses are insufficient to incentivize using it to explore instead of cheaper and better-performing battleships or strat cruisers.

Look, I’m not saying it needs a covert cloak. I’m saying it needs something that amounts to a buff to Nestor’s ability to move around in hostile space. The other SoE ships have this in the form of the covert cloak. The Nestor, in theory, has that in the low mass and the high(er) warp speed, but neither are particularly helpful: the low mass doesn’t make up for the fact that strat cruisers (with or without logi support) can fill the same roles as the Nestor while costing much less in terms of mass; the warp speed makes traveling somewhat less time consuming but will not help you evade or outrun any real pursuit in the slightest. So, in my opinion, it needs something else. That could mean a sufficiently penalized covert cloak, or any of half a dozen other options that have been thrown around in this thread (a number of which I mentioned on this very page).

Who's asking for a covops on top of RR? If getting a decent travel bonus means losing the logi side, so be it.