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Trading with EvePrism

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Lemmitron
Smiletron 3000
#1 - 2013-12-02 22:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lemmitron
Hey all! I'm a wannabe trader who has had rather limited success so far. I've followed all the tips I can from these boards etc, however I still find it really hard turning any decent profit. I can probably make a few million isk here and there but I have 6bil isk myself at the moment and thus I guess I find myself getting frustrated and impatient at making the occasional million. Never felt I found a deal that was worth putting in the time for.

So I'm a programmer too, and I set about solving my general lack of 'information', naive to a lot of say what PvPers use or this or that. Enter EvePrism, inspired by our friends at the NSA, it pretty much does what it Prism does (without the illegalities of breaking in anywhere it shouldn't obv :P), and along with the Eve data exports, collates as much information as possible from a multitude of sources on the net to give me cross-referenceable information rather quickly. I have data going back weeks which allows me to pin down exactly where, what, and how many items have been lost in PvP, can cross-reference that with combat mission runner agent locations, cross-reference that with null->low or low->high gateways, etc, etc, etc.

I have a ton of data at my fingertips, that I've collated myself, which I guess is the secret to trading, (info is power etc) but am still managing to do a rubbishy job at using this info to my advantage. I found what seemed to be the perfect lo-sec trading hub, that ticked practically every box I learnt here needed ticking, but once I looked into it the prices despite being like 30 jumps from Amarr were almost Jita price, despite being like 16 jumps into lo sec. High sec was just ridiculous and unless I sat there being a human 1 ISKing bot literally the whole time I expected to trade, even in Amarr or another level 2 trading hub, not just Jita, it seemed to be completely pointless to try and do trading without a massive time sink of being there to maintain my position from a minute to minute basis. I suspect bots are on the other end, as it didn't seem to matter WHAT the item was or what time of day, but I don't know, it may have just been others as irked as me at being stuck to the keyboard.

So yeah, the solution? Does anyone at all with more resources or practical skill than me fancy an ally with access to a lot of useful cross-referensable data, their own pretty funky tool (that will NEVER be released, at least until it's made me a fair few bil, just making that clear :P) and good trading stats?
Sh0plifter
Underworld Property Accounting Partnership
#2 - 2013-12-03 12:18:35 UTC
Information is great, though I am not sure what you are trying to do. Are you trying to find gaps in Amarr/Jita? Or a difference in the two? Honestly, the both are really close together. Your best bet is finding a highly populated place and stock it with stuff they use. remember, users are lazy. They dont want to have to "work" for stuff by traveling. So alot will avoid the 5-6 jumps, or even the jump next door to get something and will buy for more expensive.

I avoid selling anywhere near jita personally, that is just me. Mainly because the Jita prices still come up as cheaper. As long as I am out of the region it is generally good business.
Tsibelman
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-12-03 16:23:16 UTC
I actually think that given your initial capital and data it easy for you to set a profitable minerals trading business, you can set up buy order in different spots popular by miners and get a nice margines
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-12-04 17:51:51 UTC
Tsibelman wrote:
I actually think that given your initial capital and data it easy for you to set a profitable minerals trading business, you can set up buy order in different spots popular by miners and get a nice margines

...which of course depends on knowing where miners like to mine... last time i checked, there is no good way of finding that out other than scraping killboards for dead retrievers and controlling for New Order presence.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Tsibelman
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-12-04 19:41:53 UTC
If it was easy every one would do it Big smile
ActualIy I have such information , not about where miners like to mine but about where they like to sell minerals outside of the obvious main trade hubs and for what discount they do it.

Who can guess the 5 largest system measured by amount of bought minerals ?
SJ Astralana
Syncore
#6 - 2013-12-05 07:19:07 UTC
Tsibelman wrote:
If it was easy every one would do it Big smile
ActualIy I have such information , not about where miners like to mine but about where they like to sell minerals outside of the obvious main trade hubs and for what discount they do it.

Who can guess the 5 largest system measured by amount of bought minerals ?


Is Penirgman in there?

Hyperdrive your production business: Eve Production Manager

Tsibelman
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-12-05 18:51:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Tsibelman
Penirgman is the number 13 busies system in term of minerals bought so you close.
Jdestars
Stars Research systems Incorporation
#8 - 2013-12-07 11:44:18 UTC
Verify before the history of the sales of the diverse regions and if you plan to move of the stock between regions how much journey wonder freigher will be necessary to bring to a successful conclusion a large-scale operation

in Mineral like Trita large-scale :vol over 500 m pc