Market Discussions

I have finally gotten some liquid isk together and I want to do something with it other than burn it on shiny ships and such. Whats a good place to start for someone without any experience.

Well I understand that is probably necessary but idk if I have the patience to station trade. all that .01'ing gets on my nerves. I see all these bonds and it seems like an easy way to make isk. although not alot of isk but at least its something. are these safe to lend isk to people like that? station trading would be nice but without the skill point investment I think I would be losing isk.

I can fly jf's on one toon and freighters on this toon, to get standings i assume one must engage in the epic fun times of grinding missions?

Beware: when the "rich" meets the experienced, the rich leaves with experience, the experienced leaves rich.

What other aspects of EVE do you have better than average knowledge of?

Let's say you had previously been into incursion running and want out of it. Use your knowledge of what consumables incursion bears use, what ships they own that are destroyed, what modules they might use 'only until I can afford something better' and where they might upgrade modules and replace ships. Also use your knowledge of where gankers might sell modules confiscated from careless incursion runners. For instance, do they use (and lose) Garde IIs? Void L? Machariels? Is it common for them to initially fit tech 1 rigs to a ship then later upgrade them to tech 2 when they can afford to? I don't know, but presumably an ex-incursioner looking to get into trading would.

Then set buy orders in strategically chosen locations to entice gankers to sell confiscated modules and sell that stuff to the incursion runners in their preferred locations. Likewise look to sell ships and gank equipment to gankers.

I would recommend trading things you know about, whether you do it in a trade hub, or in a mission/FW hub etc, at least to get started.

I would also say pop into the SCC-Lounge channel and feel free to ask any questions.

Considering you have a freighter and a jump freighter you could do a couple things. I am going to use 10b as a rounded number since i am not sure your liquid isk amount.

First of all. Get a T2 Cloaky hauler/blockade runner. I'd suggest a cloaky hauler for buy orders that have been completed in low sec.

With the freighter. Find gaps in the market. They are all over. There are gaps where I currently work at and to fill them all is putting me spending more time supplying then undocking in a PVP ship. This means I am leaving gaps because I cant be bothered to spend 8+ hours a day filling them all in the area I am working. Alot of traders are this way as well. Find your gaps, and roll with it.

With the Jump Freighter, there is a stipulation to this. Take into consideration your liquid isk. If you have 10b, you will be using 50-60% of your isk to get a JF if you do not have one already. Don't do that. Build your wallet, get a basic handling of things. First, use your JF pilot in a normal freighter and supply your high sec market gaps. Once you have turned your 10b into 20-30b and can generate an easy 1b a week. Get a JF, and start exploring lowsec markets. Do research on them first. Things to look for in lowsec are: activity, supply, ships destroyed, what ships destroyed the most, what types of guns, ammo, modules, etc. Don't bother with POS stuff. Fuels are nice though.

Buy Orders: If you can get stuff for cheap, for example Zydrine at 450 isk per when they sell for 680/isk.

Sell Orders: What is used, what isnt used. War decs for corps in the area. Etc.

Cloaky Hauler: The Zydrine I was talking about for example can be sold to you in lowsec and that hauler will get it for you at a minimal cost. I only ever use my JF if it will take up 80,000 m3 of space. everything else I will use my prowler for.

Jump Freighter: Jump it from the closest high sec system to it to reduce the fuel cost. Remember, you are trying to make a profit. Don't jump at max range with JDC5 to the lowsec to pick up the goods.

Trading Characters: All of my trading characters started as traders, evolved into basic haulers. Hull upgrades 2 for t2 cargo expanders, Astronautic Rigging 2 for T1 Cargo Expanding rigs (only needs 1). If you are going to be ganked, your going to be ganked. No reason to put a ton of training into shield skills for a basic hauler.

Hauling: Never haul enough to make people want to gank you in T1 Haulers, Never haul more then 4b in a freighter/JF to make people want to gank you.

Courier contracts: If you cannot be bothered to run around and pick stuff up. You can get cheap courier contracts setup for High Sec to high sec. Remember to not make the cost more then the profit you will make. So, if need be run a basic haulers out to the system, consolidate and maybe the systems next door with stuff all into one systems station. Then do the courier.

If you are going to be running in the same region. Look at your skills. There is no need for some skills if you wont use them. Make sure you fully understand the skill to avoid training a skill to 5, that you wont use.

Skills to train off the bat:
Accounting 5
Broker Relations 5
Margin Trading 5
Trading 5
Retail 5
Wholesale 5

Tycoon is a good skill but I found little need for it when I first started.

Splurging: Try to avoid splurging isk on hard to sell things or splurging on items of no need. If you also do missions and such, you can perfectly run level 4s/sanctums in a cheaper fitted Marauder then a deadspace fitted ship. Spend isk on ships and fits that benefit it, not create overkill.

Buying Characters: Some people make a ton of money in character trading. I don't really do that and I am unsure of the ways in which people do so given its 1.2b to buy 2 plex to trade it. So you automatically have to go 1.2b higher automatic. I would advise if you are going to buy characters make sure they will benefit you and do not break your wallet.

Trading Corporation: If you have trading characters, put them into their own corporation. Isk is easier to move around from wallets, I would advise though if you are doing mass movements with freighters alot, avoid putting any freighter character in a corporation. Wardecs slow the process and having to drop corp, rejoin, drop , rejoin is just annoying.
IF you do have your freighters in the same corp as your traders for a wallet. Always pay attention to wardec messages, and check for wardecs if you havent been on in awhile. It will save you the heartache of a 1.2b ship + whatever it was carrying.

Or you can front run CCP or Goons.

and I thank you for keeping my subscriptions going.

Well if you do that then you are causing Eve-wide inflation according to some here. You cause mineral price increases and ship price increases. Do not do that for all our sakes.

You can only buy PLEX if by buying it you don't cause it to go up in price.

Every PLEX purchase causes inflation.