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My First Ratting Ship
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Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-12-02 14:18:04 UTC
Hello all,

First time posting, only been on Eve for less than a week so would love to get a little help please :)

I have been getting used to the game play of Eve and have just been doing a lot of mining to gain a little isk while I train in a few skills, but now I would love to give ratting a go and see a more dangerous side of the galaxy.

So what would be a good starter ship to buy, mods to have and skills needed to do ratting fairly successfully? and how much would it cost roughly?

Thank you for your time,

Nyru
Dextrome Thorphan
#2 - 2013-12-02 14:22:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Hmmm, first of all: What kind of ratting? Belt ratting or anomalies?
Secondly: Systems of which security class; highsec, lowsec or nullsec?
Thirdly: What kind of rats? (Type of pirate, for example Guristas, Serpentis, etc... each have their own resists and damage types)


My personal favorite is a speed/shield tanked ishtar with T2 sentries and/or heavy drones. (but it takes quite a while to train skills for that)
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-12-02 14:27:10 UTC
will u be ratting in hi or low or null?
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#4 - 2013-12-02 14:30:10 UTC
Welp, being a week old I would suspect he lacks the skills to fly an Ishtar.

Also, I doubt he means ratting. Apologies if you do fella, but do you actually mean security missions?
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-12-02 14:31:17 UTC
Thanks for a quick response.

Sorry for not including details.

Looking to do Belt Ratting in Low sec to begin with and moving onto null after I get used to it all.

As for type of pirates, im not really sure, other than resistances are their any differences?

I have been training towards the Ishtar as I heard it was a good one so I am on my way skill wise :)
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-12-02 14:32:37 UTC
No I do mean Belt Ratting.

I know I dont have the skills yet, but I want to know what to aim for, what to buy to get ready and skills needed to train in :)
Dextrome Thorphan
#7 - 2013-12-02 15:17:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Nyru Red wrote:
No I do mean Belt Ratting.

I know I dont have the skills yet, but I want to know what to aim for, what to buy to get ready and skills needed to train in :)


Well, you have to realize though, if you're gonna be doing this solo in low- or null-sec you Will get killed sooner or later. (by players)

So, L3 & L4 security missions might be a better place to start (also great way to get more PVE experience before going into dangerous territory)
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-02 15:21:59 UTC
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
Nyru Red wrote:
No I do mean Belt Ratting.

I know I dont have the skills yet, but I want to know what to aim for, what to buy to get ready and skills needed to train in :)


Well, you have to realize though, if you're gonna be doing this solo in low- or null-sec you Will get killed alot.

So, L3 & L4 security missions might be a better place to start (also great way to get more PVE experience before going into dangerous territory)


Ok sounds like a good idea... I do realise that I probably shouldn't go straight into this, it just seemed like a fun way to make money and am prepared to gain knowledge doing other things before hand, this is more a long term goal :)

Thank you
Dextrome Thorphan
#9 - 2013-12-02 15:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Dextrome Thorphan
Nyru Red wrote:
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
Nyru Red wrote:
No I do mean Belt Ratting.

I know I dont have the skills yet, but I want to know what to aim for, what to buy to get ready and skills needed to train in :)


Well, you have to realize though, if you're gonna be doing this solo in low- or null-sec you Will get killed alot.

So, L3 & L4 security missions might be a better place to start (also great way to get more PVE experience before going into dangerous territory)


Ok sounds like a good idea... I do realise that I probably shouldn't go straight into this, it just seemed like a fun way to make money and am prepared to gain knowledge doing other things before hand, this is more a long term goal :)

Thank you


For a long-term goal you'll probably want to look for a nice nullsec corp that gives you access to upgraded 0.0 systems with lots of anomalies :)

Or do Faction Warfare missions... those are very profitable as well (but don't have any personal experience with those)


BTW: For missions, I've always preferred using Caldari Navy Ravens for my L4s... but there's an endless amount of possibilities to choose from really. And for L3 missions, any battlecruiser will do.
Meyr
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#10 - 2013-12-02 15:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Meyr
Something like this works well, and scales up to T2 with rigs very well. I've used it in many nullsec regions with reliable results.

Vexor, Ratting

Highs

Dual 150 Railguns

Mids

10 MN AB
Warp Scrambler
Stasis Webifier
Tracking Computer

Lows

Medium Armor Repairer
Damage Control
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Plate

Drone Bay

Hobgoblin
Hammerhead
EC-600

Rigs

None

Notes:

1. Use EFT, input your skills, and see what size armor plate will fit without rigs. Use this basic setup until you're comfortable flying it in lowsec, and have tried it in PVP. Always get Platinum insurance. Plan on losing several along the way.

2. It's not cap stable. Get used to it. Most ship fits aren't.

3. Fit all of this with the least-expensive modules you can find. Use T1 drones. In Minmatar space, use Minmatar drones. For all others, use Gallente. Ammo: lead to start, for the least cap use, then add antimatter if you need a bit more DPS.

4. Use the ECM drones if you're losing a fight. They're not reliable, but they just might let you win/run away. Either way, you learn something.

The version to aim for:

Vexor, T2

Highs

Dual 150 Railgun II (x4)

Mids

10MN Experimental AB
Warp Disruptor
Stasis Webifier II
Tracking Computer II

Lows

Medium Armor Repairer II
Damage Control II
EAMN II (x2)
1600 mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate

Rigs

ACR
Aux Nano Pump
(Third rig is your choice - I prefer tracking, but your skills may not allow it. A CCC is a good option)

Drones

Hammerhead II (x5)
Hobgoblin II (x5)
EC-600 (x5)

Inexpensive, versatile, tough, capable of paying for itself quickly, and scales well with your experience and skill point levels.

Have fun, and good luck!
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-12-02 15:59:02 UTC
Your ishtar focus is good. T2 sentries will deal very nice damage much quicker than other weapon systems.

For belt ratting, use a drone focused frigate and use afterburner to speed tank. T2 light drones are necessary, gallente drones are best damage so focus accordingly to thermal weak rats:
Serpentis, gurista, sansha, blood raider.

To get the most worth of your agile frigate, only look for faction commander spawns (shadow serpentis, TRUE sansha, dread guristas, dark blood). These are 1 in 40 belt spawns.

Fit drone damage amplifiers, afterburner, some local tank.
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-12-02 16:10:08 UTC
Thank you all for the advice its really useful for me :)

I may have to give the Vexor a go as I nearly have the skills to use that one :) but my main end goal will be the Ishtar still.

Will defiantly look into finding a nice nullsec corp to fly with, hopefully learn a lot from them.
Chi Garu
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-02 16:11:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Chi Garu
Nyru Red wrote:
Dextrome Thorphan wrote:
Nyru Red wrote:
No I do mean Belt Ratting.

I know I dont have the skills yet, but I want to know what to aim for, what to buy to get ready and skills needed to train in :)


Well, you have to realize though, if you're gonna be doing this solo in low- or null-sec you Will get killed alot.

So, L3 & L4 security missions might be a better place to start (also great way to get more PVE experience before going into dangerous territory)


Ok sounds like a good idea... I do realise that I probably shouldn't go straight into this, it just seemed like a fun way to make money and am prepared to gain knowledge doing other things before hand, this is more a long term goal :)

Thank you


I have had alot of success belt ratting in a stealth bomber, however you can be successful in frigates and especially assault frigates.

Something like this Enyo would be a good ship to aim for. This would be very effective at ratting in gallente lowsec. In losec your main targets for belt ratting will be Clone Soldier Transporter and Clone Soldier Negotiator rats which can belt spawn in 0.1 and 0.2 sec rated systems. These guarentee a tag drop that sells for around 35m in trade hubs.

[Enyo, Enyorat]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

Until you can fly this, practice in a Incursus

[Incursus, Incursusrat]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Anti-Kinetic Pump I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I

Hobgoblin II x1


as an aside:

These are the skills you will need to learn in order to survive in losec so practice these from hisec while you rat the belts there.

1. Directional Scanner - look up some tutorials on how to use this, it's your number 1 tool for survival.

2. Learn to read the map - look at the star map and plot a course into losec, then sort by ships killed in the last hour, pods destroyed in the last hour, number of pilots in space etc and learn to get a picture in your head of the areas you're planning to travel through. This is the number 1 tool for avoiding gate camps. Learn to plot courses around hotspots and look quiet sections of space with low npc kills for less competition on the rats.

3a. Learn to make safe spots - watch a tutorial on making safe spots between celestials, remember not to be too reliant on safe spots since you can be scanned down using probes. A moving target is a hard target.

3b. Set up your overview in a way that makes your life easier. A tab just for ships and probes is ideal for d-scanning, for example.


EDIT: Running level 4 missions will teach you nothing you need to know. Please get out into losec asap and learn to play in that environment while you only have cheap ships to lose.
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-12-02 16:27:53 UTC
Chi Garu wrote:
as an aside:

These are the skills you will need to learn in order to survive in losec so practice these from hisec while you rat the belts there.

1. Directional Scanner - look up some tutorials on how to use this, it's your number 1 tool for survival.

2. Learn to read the map - look at the star map and plot a course into losec, then sort by ships killed in the last hour, pods destroyed in the last hour, number of pilots in space etc and learn to get a picture in your head of the areas you're planning to travel through. This is the number 1 tool for avoiding gate camps. Learn to plot courses around hotspots and look quiet sections of space with low npc kills for less competition on the rats.

3a. Learn to make safe spots - watch a tutorial on making safe spots between celestials, remember not to be too reliant on safe spots since you can be scanned down using probes. A moving target is a hard target.

3b. Set up your overview in a way that makes your life easier. A tab just for ships and probes is ideal for d-scanning, for example.


Thank you for this, I will definitely keep this all in mind when I venture out for the first time :)
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2013-12-02 16:32:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
IMO for low-sp characters, belt ratting is where its at for several reasons.

Bounties are higher. The same ships in anomalies/missions ie deadspace have lower bounties but the same stats.
Way less tank required. In belts you're facing 5-6 ships max. MWD ships with close-range turrets are effective.
Decent chance of faction spawns.
Better loot drops.

The result is that belt ratting in lowsec and null can be done effectively in a relatively cheapish t1 cruiser. Add some insurance and you will make far more isk than you will lose when you occasionally die. How often you die depends on your own awareness/skill and also where you choose to rat. Make use of travel fits to get to your destination, these will allow you to run most camps. You should also check for camps by using a stabbed/nanoed attack frigate to scout your route, then come back with your ratting ship.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-12-02 16:32:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Belt rats are low level stuff. You won't need lots of skills or an amazing ship to kill them in low sec. Also, clone rats drop tags that will make you more isk than doing missions. Just be aware of your surroundings. The players are your main concern. If you make some friends and go out in teams you will have much better luck, more fun & may get a few kills too.

As far as ships and skills go:

Pick a fighting style that you enjoy then a weapon system based on that choice. Then choose a ship that is bonused for that weapon system.

Now sift through kill boards on a site like battle clinic. There are others but this is the link I had handy. Watch out though, this site is a mountain of bullsh¡t with little golden nuggets hidden throughout. Always run a fit by an experienced corp mate before committing. And keep in mind that fits are not ship specific but PURPOSE BASED.

Then go download eve fitting tool or pyfa or some other fitting tool. You can import you character with your API (google it) so the program knows what skills you have. Make a few ship fits that work for what you want to do now at current skill lvl and a dream fit that will be your training goal. You can adjust the relevant skills for any ship or fit until everything fits (within reason).

Now for the skill plan. Download EVEMon. This is a skill planner program. You can import your character so it know what skills you already have and import your dream fit from eft to make a plan. Then add in all those core skills to V, relevant support skills to IV & don't forget the drones. EVEMon will then optimize your plan for you. Forget about stuff like remaps & implants for now. Once you get through a month or so of this plan you will know what a good skill plan looks like and be able to wing it from there.

Don't be afraid to shake things up either. There is no skill cap so if you get bored try something else. If you want to come back to your plan later... just do what you want. That is what is so great about this game.

Welcome to EVE.
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2013-12-02 16:45:05 UTC
Thank you for the links, I do already have the skill planner set up on my phone (have it all set up to be able to use the ishtar) but the battle clinic looks really useful :)

So do you think it is more important to get out of high sec and get used to low/null sec or stay in high sec and practice on the rats there? it seems to be a difference of opinion.

What sort of things are a good idea to do in low sec to get used to how things work? missions or is there something else?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2013-12-02 17:05:19 UTC
Nyru Red wrote:

So do you think it is more important to get out of high sec and get used to low/null sec or stay in high sec and practice on the rats there? it seems to be a difference of opinion.


For belt-ratting, there is nothing in hisec that will prepare you really.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Nyru Red
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-12-02 17:14:21 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Nyru Red wrote:

So do you think it is more important to get out of high sec and get used to low/null sec or stay in high sec and practice on the rats there? it seems to be a difference of opinion.


For belt-ratting, there is nothing in hisec that will prepare you really.


Ok, that makes sense and also helps me get used to survival (pretty easy going at the moment)

Ill probably do a little mining to gain some isk together and buy myself an Incursus (fairly cheap so doesn't matter if i lose it) to start out with and try that in low sec and work up from there :)
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-12-02 23:34:32 UTC
you could always give it a try on the test server first. Provi is a good place to get your feet wet into null as a solo player.. but best is to get into a decent corp..
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