Player Features and Ideas Discussion

A simple change to player owned stations that would reintroduce the possibility of destroying stations. Surrendering the station would always be an option, but defenders could instead choose to fight to the death and deny the enemy their prize.

How it would work
When a station enters 2nd reinforcement timer, the CEO of the owning corporation can choose between 2 options: "surrender" or "fight to the end".

Choosing "surrender" would result in the station changing ownership if/when the attackers are successful in the 3rd and final assault. (That's how it works now).

Choosing "fight to the end" would mean that the station becomes destructible when it exits 2nd reinforcement. The station would simply explode rather than change ownership. (That's how it worked before some people ganked an NPC station in hisec and resulted in the whole "indestructible stations" situation)

The default option would always be "surrender" just in case the CEO of the owning corporation doesn't log in to make a decision before the end of the 2nd reinforced timer.

That would REALLY suck for people who have a lot of stuff stored in those stations.

There are a lot of problems that should be solved before making player owned outposts (partially)destructable: assets, docked/logged off players in station, contracts and items on market, jump clones etc... What should happen with those?

Well I think those problems are easier to solve than you'd think. Not everyone will agree with my opinions, but I'll list them below just to show that there are simple solutions.

1) Ships - ships inside the station when it explodes would drop according to the new "SMA wreck" mecahnic

2) Items - Items would drop in jetcans just like when you destroy a CHA at a POS. This could get messy and might require CCP to create a single "Station Hangar Wreck" with a ludicrous cargo capacity just to avoid cluttering space with lots of cans.

3) Players - players inside the station would be treated similarly to loot. 50/50 chance of being instantly destroyed or being ejected in their current ship. If destroyed or if offline when the station explodes, the player would wake up in their new med clone with a notification to explain what happened. If the station that exploded was their med clone location, they would have to choose a new location from a list before respawning there. This is just what happens when you try to log in to Jita 4-4 when the system is overloaded, so the mechanics are already present.

4) Contracts and items on the market - dropped like normal loot, but escrows and deposits etc... not returned to the players. Eve is hard, get over it :P

5) Jump Clones - simply destroyed.


New Eden is supposed to be a hard, unforgiving place. The above is just 1 possible set of possibilities, but the point is that the questions Kirimeena raised can indeed be answered and are not show stoppers.

How about we just add some more NPC stations, that have lets say the moon mining thing in high sec, and then have players fight over those?
Think MORE content instead of just changing the pieces around.

good idea,
and would make alliances have to build their own stations which would divert minerals from capships to structures.
and maybe have the station also act like some of the various sov buildings too like a system wide pirate scanner and what not.

maybe have the station services be a tier system akin to FW style teirs in some way where you start on tier 0 and work up to 5

tier 0. cloneing(by default to lessen the whineing) and Repair and fitting.

tier 1. market & insurance & corp offices

tier 2. refinery & manufacturing & in station ore compression + alliance offices

tier 3. research and XX research/manufacturing slots + drug manufacturing

tier 4. supers able to dock (so people dont have to be superglued in the cockpit of a super) + extra research and manufacturing slots + reactions (or something)

tier 5. Supers able to be built in station. + station acts like a cyno for NON HOSTILES

now tier 4 and 5 would give people incentive to fight harder and possably lose alot of ships defending land.

as for the fuel maybe make 10 to 1 ratio or 100 to 1 ratio of current POS fuel blocks into station fuel blocks POS->station.



maybe limit player owned stations to 1 per planet or 1 to 5 per system and have stupidly high requirments to build them maybe 10 titans worth of mats?

if it pops typical lootdrop% applies (meaning need for freighters in null to sweep up meaning open for gurilla retaliation)
clones will be moved to nearest available station that is not closed to non corp/alliance members.

as for POS's they can still be at moons and be used similar to how they are now, like moon goo platforms, jump bridges, and so on

in all it could be a breath of life for industrialists in nullsec.

also the knock on could be higher mineral costs for a while but that can be supplimented by the highsec miners (so be nice to them! :P) aswell as null and low mineing ops. so its balancing the flow of cash so nullbears dont get stipidly rich like im hearing they are (actually hearing they are 100b+ easly ) and giving a little more isk filtered through low and high sec

I thought about moving assets to new station, but that makes no sense if station is built in different location in that system.

You realize that this would destroy every aspect of sov space. You would see people living out of carriers/supercarriers/POSes versus ever putting a station up. Lets see how this would change things:

*-ALL- industrial stuff would be done in high sec bar supercap production. (not a huge change from now for larger alliances, would still hurt smaller corporations/alliances.)
* Every group living in a POS would be required to have their own jump freighter, planned route to HS and back.
* There would be no alliance contracted ships ready to go.
* All aliance reimbursements for subcaps would be staged in High Sec.
* All alliance reimbursements for capitals would be staged in a lowsec station.
* More POS Grinding CTAs.
* All major sov holding alliances (GSF, PL, NCDot, Nulli, BL, Solar, etc..) would completely own all Pirate NPC space, so no mission running there without having to pay rent.
* Completely destroy every aspect to wanting to go to Nullsec. Ever.

I love this idea! +10 for the OP for this amazing suggestion. Lets clutter Lowsec up and make nullsec even more desolate.

While this is true. A major reason for a station system is refining without having to go to lowsec with a rorq then Freighter/JF it into highsec. As well as manufactoring slots since alot of people use Defense>Unnecessary Pos Ornaments. Boiling it down to CHA/SMAs for ratting systems. it would turn into one-two for research, one-two for invention, one to two for production. It would become more costly and the ease of high sec would divert the advantage to Claimable to be nothing more then living out of HS and having Lowsec titans to bridge to null.

Also you can have a market in a station. So easier supply to your alliance. Destructable stations would mean there would be no supply. No matter how "well guarded" a station is claimed to be. No marketeer/trader would ever supply something that can be destroyed to potentially lose billions of isk while they are out for the weekend? lol

I clearly stated that the choice of making the station destructible would belong to the defenders. I'm not suggesting that any large alliance should be able to go around destroying everyone else's stations.

What I said was that defenders should have the option to make their stations destructible rather than just surrender them to attackers. That way you could prevent your enemies from claiming a key staging point in a war.

It would be up to the defenders to weigh up the pros and cons, and it would be a huge strategic decision. I imagine it would lead to alliances choosing a handful of home stations that they would never think of destroying, using the rest of their stations as FOBs from which to launch patrols etc...