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Brutor Trash
Doomheim
#41 - 2014-03-08 05:43:40 UTC
USE RLML. OH WAIT.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-03-09 03:05:28 UTC
Brutor Trash wrote:
USE RLML. OH WAIT.

that would be too easy

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#43 - 2014-03-09 06:30:37 UTC
Intys are only 'hard countered' by 2 ship classes (that would need support in order to kill the intys)

1. Recons, of any flavor **** on them
2. EAF's
3. Destroyers + Dictors

Currently the entire cruiser lineup lacks any form of consistant weapon system to handle intys. They also lack the speed, and web bonuses to apply any type of consistanc EWAR against them. So against competent frig pilots, cruisers are outmatched.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-03-09 07:08:38 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Intys are only 'hard countered' by 2 ship classes (that would need support in order to kill the intys)

1. Recons, of any flavor **** on them
2. EAF's
3. Destroyers + Dictors

Currently the entire cruiser lineup lacks any form of consistant weapon system to handle intys. They also lack the speed, and web bonuses to apply any type of consistanc EWAR against them. So against competent frig pilots, cruisers are outmatched.
Destroyer isn't a ship class, it's a size class.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2014-03-09 09:07:05 UTC
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#46 - 2014-03-09 09:10:08 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)


Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#47 - 2014-03-09 15:02:51 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)


Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.

All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#48 - 2014-03-09 15:38:40 UTC
Bellicose is a poor choice, it lacks the missile velocity bonus that is needed for light missiles to be effective against interceptors.

Unless you land a web of course, but Jester's fit doesn't have one and if you web the inty target, you're probably better off with the superior damage of the Caracal anyway.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#49 - 2014-03-09 15:52:25 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)


Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.

All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison.


I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it.
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2014-03-09 16:56:40 UTC
Straight up, I'd probably take a Sentinel.

A frigate with a utility high would probably work as well, as long as it can fit a neut in there.
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#51 - 2014-03-09 18:56:33 UTC

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=22133033

^^^ That's an AB blaster Atron fit worth 8mil. Most Inty pilots are smart/dumb enough to manually fly everything, and the above victim is no slouch.

In the OP's position, I'd try my dual-prop Enyo against them. Pre-heat the scram, work on slingshotting them one at a time. Anything foolish enough to get within 10km dies, and a SAAR Enyo could tank a handful of Inty's all day pulsing reps. One Enyo is worth about the same as one Cepter, so if you get 2 or 3 you're doing good. Exchange whichever AF you like, really, except Amarr. Wolf might actually be a better bet, given how much faster it is.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-03-09 19:30:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)


Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.
There is no need to post an anti-interceptor Bellicose fit. If one does not know how to fit a Bellicose to râpe interceptors, one needs to review either basic fitting tactics or use of target painters.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#53 - 2014-03-09 19:45:54 UTC
Inty-gang counters:

Cynnabal
Vagabond
Caracal with RLML
Cerberus with RLML
Arazu / Lachesis with damps and scram
Nano deimos (2000 m/s+)
Ishtar, any configuration
Rapier / huginn, any configuration
Battleships with heavy neut, drones, and micro jump drive

Basically anything that can track intys, has web/scram, and can go fast to string intys, or projects neuts
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-03-09 19:52:05 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Inty-gang counters:

Cynnabal
Vagabond
Caracal with RLML
Cerberus with RLML
Arazu / Lachesis with damps and scram
Nano deimos (2000 m/s+)
Ishtar, any configuration
Rapier / huginn, any configuration
Battleships with heavy neut, drones, and micro jump drive

Basically anything that can track intys, has web/scram, and can go fast to string intys, or projects neuts

That's it, you've won this thread. Everyone go home now.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Bloodmyst Ranwar
Menace of Morons
#55 - 2014-03-10 02:39:13 UTC
There are many ships that can engage Interceptor gangs and be quiet successful. IMO, it has got more to do with how you engage these gangs, not so much about what ship you have.

For example, inties generally have lackluster DPS and a weak tank (I sear many people forget this), you can use this to your advantage through how aggression mechanics work. Split their fleet up each side of the gate and use warrior II's to start popping away. After you pop a couple and the rest of their gang jumps into system, pull you drones, deagress and wait out the timer and jump through to system... rinse and repeat...

Obviously, remember to primary the inties who have a "scram" on you, not a "point."

This is obviously from the point of view if your flying Cruiser ships and above, because generally you possess the tank to do this. However, in the Frigate hulls I personally use the Jaguar and Firetail whenever I go intie hunting. These two hulls are still quite fast, and you can easily slingshot your way into or out of any situations with inties.
WaterMarks
The Keywork
#56 - 2014-03-10 07:10:40 UTC
tracking disruptors rmove there range completely

-Fly Reckless-
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2014-03-10 07:57:06 UTC
WaterMarks wrote:
tracking disruptors rmove there range completely

Specialy effective against Crow!
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2014-03-10 13:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Kiryen O'Bannon
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Ripard Teg posted an anti-frigate Bellicose build on his blog this past week. Try that. (Jester's Trek is the blog.)


Bellicose is a horrible ship. It was before the RLML nerf, and its even more **** now. Best anti-frig cruiser is the Nomen, Nosprey, Scythe Fleet. Bellicose is basically just a watered down of the last two.

All faction cruisers..... Not a level comparison.


I am comparing ships that can easily kill light tackle. i don't care if they cost 60mil or 10mil for the hull. Its pennies, and I am looking for effectiveness. Touting that 'my ship costs less' to somehow explain how sub par the bellicose is- really doesn't cut it.

Unfortunately for you, cost matters when considering what ship to use. Obviously navy faction ships are better. If one cant afford 60 million for a dedicated anticeptor cruiser, they will want a suitable standard hull for the job. As to the Bellicose being bad or sub par..no. The unfortunate fact is that too many people do not understamd signature radius.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-03-10 16:21:50 UTC
I told CCP in a dream to make the new Bellicose.
But seriously, when they were talking about rebalancing cruisers I was like "mix medium missiles with target painters!!" Well actually my idea was to do it with the Vigil. I was thinking kind of a light bomber, target painters plus 2 medium launchers. Would have been badass. I'm okay with CCPs Vigil though.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#60 - 2014-03-11 08:18:19 UTC
There are creative fits for quite a few ships that can give Inties a run for their money, just don't expect those fits to work against everything - then again, nothing ever does. Still, a 4 billion Tengu with a Loki booster and implants worth billions might be a bit of an overkill :p